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2 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

EU financial services companies have a lot of money tied up in the UK and UK companies in the EU.

 

So mutual interest to do a deal ?  Just the timing and rules that would apply ?

 

 

2 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

 

Think UK had plans to become a form of tax haven, before Covid hit the financial position.

 

Exactly why any 'equivalence' could only be temporary and very limited and highly monitored

.. So hows Johnson the liars form on keeping his side of agreements so far eh?

 

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@tobyjugg2 Of course Boris and the rest of the UK Government can be trusted to fully comply with any deals they make and won't look to renegotiate within months or look to suspend agreements unilaterly.

 

Where is the evidence that Boris's Goverment cannot be trusted ?  This will keep you busy :)

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Trying to evidence the opposite would take infinitely longer ...

 

... oops - no it wouldn't - they would just quickly lie and hope nobody noticed.

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On a side note re Batley and Spen, it would seem labours win is vastly better than the narrow margin would lead one to believe if what I'm reading is true ... by no means certain

 

Before the by-election, Cons and Brexiters (new cons including 'swathes of ex-Labour voters) seemed to be flagged with a quite significant lead and were expected to quite thoroughly trounce Starmers labour ...

 

The result is actually a narrow win by Labour, but with a significant number of Labour extremists voting for Gallowindbag including allegedly a large number of CORBYNISTA LEFT. (Cant see many of them voting Tory populist)

 

The extreme right all lost their deposits (ROFL)

 

If thats the case, then the high for the Cons is well past.

 

 

 

 

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The food industry has talked about involving the army to make up for the shortage of HGV drivers.

 

WWW.REUTERS.COM

Premier Foods (PFD.L), one of Britain's biggest food companies, has called on the government to consider using the army to distribute goods to help...

 

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Only trouble is the 'new' army vehicles have the soldiers in traction if they drive more than 20 miles or 20 miles an hour dont they?

 

Even the Express struggles to find a cheer ..

 

WWW.EXPRESS.CO.UK

NEW BRITISH tanks which cost £3.5bn can't be driven safely at over 20 miles per hour, according to an incendiary report.

 

 

Oh - and add that 3.5Bn to the Populist Johnsonite waste list ...

 

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You know what IS patriotic?

Loving your country enough to care for its old and poor, fund its institutions, unite its communities, feed, house and educate its children, restore and live in balance with its environment, plan with care for its future, build its alliances, and perhaps above all - tell it the truth

 

 

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and I see that Frost has immediately shat all over the EU giving a further extension to the UK's failure to implement its agreements

No surprises there then

 

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

Irish foreign minister hits out at Brexit minister over provocative article on Northern Ireland protocol

 

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I think the political decorum is wearing very thin

 

Whats happening? maybe the EU are playing for time expecting NI to overtake Scotland in the secede Derby, or maybe just waiting for England to implode into Johnsons cavernous backside in a huge flash of combusted methane that he keeps spouting

 

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You know what IS patriotic?

Loving your country enough to care for its old and poor, fund its institutions, unite its communities, feed, house and educate its children, restore and live in balance with its environment, plan with care for its future, build its alliances, and perhaps above all - tell it the truth

 

 

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We see, as expected that rabb frost and lewis are already saying that the EU temporary concessions arent enough and theat the EU has two weeks before the UK unilaterally trashes whats left.

 

Although that is expected - it seems rather quick ?

 

That seem to be because the English populists are fast running out of time. NI has shifted the source of its food etc to the RoI, and the DUP is imploding - and the border issue is the ONLY thing Johnsons English populists have - and that only because the EU cares more about peace in Ireland than Johnson ever has or ever will.

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So why Frost when he seems to be making a right pigs ear of it?

 

Possibly because our competent, knowledgeable, experienced and largely honourable civil servants would use their attributes to advise on the best approach, and would complain and most likely resign when instructed to do things which damaged the honour and reputation of the nation,

let alone its international trade.

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Frost is popular for standing up to the nasty Europeans, they're saying. It's another culture war to try to divide people. The precise opposite of Gareth Southgate, as people are saying.

 

This blog makes some interesting points about the negotiations.

 

https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2021/07/still-stuck-on-mobius-strip.html

 

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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The UK

A previously first rate nation for all its faults, with a world beating NHS and an unequalled international reputation and standing built by unmatched diplomats and civil servants at the behest of mainly competent politicians of many parties

 

Now

that first class NHS being trashed and taxpayers being bled dry by 5th rate autocrat politicians and their money grabbing cronies

 

and the UK's unequalled international standing, power and reputation, built in a changing world over centuries, utterly trashed in just a few years by those same 5th rate politicians and their 10th rate stooges shunted into diplomatic positions.

 

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Frost negotiating technique:

 

HEY EVERYBODY - See all my army here?

Well enemies/everybody but me and my handful of pals, I'm going to starting having their legs cut off unless you surrender to me

.. and after you surrender I will cut their legs off, your legs off, and everybody elses legs off

I'm not bluffing

 

 

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You know what IS patriotic?

Loving your country enough to care for its old and poor, fund its institutions, unite its communities, feed, house and educate its children, restore and live in balance with its environment, plan with care for its future, build its alliances, and perhaps above all - tell it the truth

 

 

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When describing the assurances he sought and obtained from Johnson – that he was “deadly serious” to do “whatever it takes” – Cummings writes that “when officials start babbling about Ireland, the union, the rule of law and what not, we just keep bulldozing”.

 

David Gauke - former Conservative cabinet minister writing in The New Statesman on Cummings statements

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'.. and after you surrender I will cut their legs off, your legs off, and everybody elses legs off

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Absolutely no point whatsoever in coming to any agreement with johnson the liar/frost the f***wit/rabb the rabid 'populist' shysters

 

They will only claim the last deal they negotiated wasn't what they thought they thought they had negotiated (incompetence) and is cheating them(selves) and you should keep giving them any benefits while they dont honour their end ad nausium (dishonour and defraud)

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Keep wondering why they aren't on 'rogue traders UK'

 

 

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Anyone given "rogue trader" task would need army of investigators. When you hear about PPE contracts with friends/family, party donors etc, private email being used for Government business and then the Brexit games being played, I can't see the current Government getting away with this. Senior Tories who are not friends of Boris, will eventually decide to take action. 

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I hope you're right, UB, but I'm concerned that rather then change how they do things, this lot will just try to reduce oversight.

 

There's a committee looking at transparency though, Gove's secretive unit that vets FoI requests and often avoids giving any information to particular jounos. This was brought about by openDemocracy's investigation and an Information Tribunal they attended.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/freedom-of-information/mps-launch-inquiry-into-uk-governments-opaque-handling-of-foi-requests/

 

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1 hour ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

When you hear about PPE contracts with friends/family, party donors etc, private email being used for Government business and then the Brexit games being played, I can't see the current Government getting away with this.

 

I do see them getting away with it .. repeatedly

 

rather like southern water being 'fined' less than they made in profits from 8,400 illegal discharges (that we listed) of raw sewage into British rivers and ocean over years

So if they get caught, they pay less in fines than they made in profits from literally pouring sh*t into the Uk's rivers and seas,

and while they dont get caught, they give themselves massive bonuses for increased profits leaving any costs to the future

- Just like Johnson.

 

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

Privatised firm dumped billions of litres of raw sewage off north Kent and Hampshire coasts to avoid costs and penalties

Less than they made in profit from their illegally pouring sh*t on all our lives and envireonment

- and they dont even get the cleanup bill

 

 

 

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You know what IS patriotic?

Loving your country enough to care for its old and poor, fund its institutions, unite its communities, feed, house and educate its children, restore and live in balance with its environment, plan with care for its future, build its alliances, and perhaps above all - tell it the truth

 

 

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for those who haven't seen it - Dodo Har-diddly-diddlings CV

 

WWW.LBC.CO.UK

This is the moment James O'Brien responded to Dido Harding claiming Test and Trace has been "a success".

 

 

Any normal person would have been unemployable

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You know what IS patriotic?

Loving your country enough to care for its old and poor, fund its institutions, unite its communities, feed, house and educate its children, restore and live in balance with its environment, plan with care for its future, build its alliances, and perhaps above all - tell it the truth

 

 

The Tory Legacy

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