Article 50 Discussion

[honeybee13]

7 hours ago, determindator said:

Have pages 189 and 190 been used for posting as can't be accessed.

 

This thread is an important read to more than you can imagine.

 

They're working for me this morning. Have you tried again, detemindator? Sometimes problems can resolve themselves overnight or with a bit of time.

[honeybee13]

Parliament's standards watchdog reportedly believes Boris Johnson's holiday to Mustique was worth more than double the £15,000 he declared in the Commons register.

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/boris-johnsons-mustique-holiday-was-worth-double-the-15-000-declared/

 

Johnson is trying to get this overturned, of course.

 

Edit: Even the Mail are reporting this.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9580509/Inquiry-Boris-Johnsons-Mustique-holiday-says-failed-say-financed.html

[tobyjugg2]

9 hours ago, determindator said:

Have pages 189 and 190 been used for posting as can't be accessed.

 

This thread is an important read to more than you can imagine.

 

I have all sorts of weird page numbers, a number of which cant be accessed and clicking on them shows the UH page

I also see different post/pages whether i am logged on or not

 

[unclebulgaria67]

It is the same for everyone regarding pages viewable when not logged in.  You have to log in too see all pages.

 

This is the case with all long threads not just this forum, but other forums as well.

[Conniff]

9 hours ago, determindator said:

Have pages 189 and 190 been used for posting as can't be accessed.

 

This thread is an important read to more than you can imagine.

Hahahaha - it's the jokes section D and of course it's important, everyone loves a joke.

[honeybee13]

Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian has assembled a compendium of the PM's missteps in office and prior to that. There are so many i'd forgotten a couple of them.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/30/scandal-charge-sheet-johnson-wallpaper-lying#comment-148969255

[tobyjugg2]

5 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Edit: Even the Mail are reporting this.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9580509/Inquiry-Boris-Johnsons-Mustique-holiday-says-failed-say-financed.html

 

To true HB

 

but Don't worry CON, the express and Tommy Robinson weekly and a few of Johnsons populist ministers have different views ...

 

oops, the express although expectedly conciliatory over this, also begrudgingly admit and detail Johnson 'The Liars' potential .. err lies regarding the trip:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1241790/boris-johnson-holiday-who-paid-caribbean-mustique-carrie-symonds-david-ross

 

So that only leaves the support of Tommy Robinson weekly, a VERY few of Johnsons ministers and you CON

... ooops - it seems Tommy Robinson is remarkably silent on the issue ....

 

Wonder what Farage says

Ah - seems he might think the jet trip was valuable in helping to keep the planet warm ..

 

So remind us what you think of the issue CON?

 

[tobyjugg2]

30 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian has assembled a compendium of the PM's missteps in office and prior to that. There are so many i'd forgotten a couple of them.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/30/scandal-charge-sheet-johnson-wallpaper-lying#comment-148969255

 

Seems to be missing many of the times Johnson made false statement in Parliament in breach of the ministerial code, which he has repeatedly compounded by refusing to apologize for his lies .. or 'mistakes'

 

Edited May 15, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[determindator]

The antagonistic approach is being used big time by the Cons, we saw a lot of that during the Trump administration. It's known as hegemonic practices. Unfortunately it does have it's power for a bit until enough people see through it because it repeats itself. The bots used for this during the last general election were prevalent in this. It's a powerful tool with social media but it's now being flushed out more and people looking for the truth. Not cover ups.

 

You see the antagonistic denigrate the person and twist the argument, all done in a specific order. There must be a school of learning for it 

You see the same words being used like the word 'whingeing', has now been pulled out of the bag.

 

I saw question time and although someone may get pulled onto the back foot of the argument at the beginning, they certainly weren't by the end 

[honeybee13]

That's very interesting, determindator, thank you. I've been away and looked up hegemonic practices.

 

As well as 'whinge' I would put forward the use of 'unpatriotic' to anyone who dares to criticise what the government is doing or say that Brexit isn't going swimmingly.

 

Also, 'elite' has changed meaning. I'd say people like Jacob Rees Mogg and Farage are part of the elite but they're picking on the 'liberal elite', whoever that is.

[honeybee13]

The Commons EFRA committtee has found that Brexit has not brought 'frictionless trade' with Europe.

 

https://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/news/19287031.mps-agree---brexit-deal-not-deliver-frictionless-trade/

[honeybee13]

Government Didn't Expect Brexit To Be So Disruptive For Northern Ireland, David Frost Admits

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/david-frost-northern-ireland

[honeybee13]

Lord Frost says the government will hire an external adviser to identify post-Brexit opportunities. As told to the EU Scrutiny Committee yesterday. Five years since the referendum...

 

 https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1394289417586724865

 

Someone pointed out that Iain Duncan Smith set up a taskforce to do the same thing. It was meant to report back last month but we haven't heard anything.

 

ETA: This is David Allen Green's take on it, a short post.

 

https://davidallengreen.com/2021/05/wanted-by-hmg-someone-to-make-sense-of-brexit/

[tobyjugg2]

189/191 here jumping straight in from Email link despite other thread seemingly corrected corrected for now

 

Bit rich of Frost as he's the front man of rejecting real food standards equivalence which would address 90%+ of the EU/UK/NI/EIRE food issues.

Very rich as the Brexiters claimed that Brexit

1. Would NOT lower food standards

2. actually claimed it Would allow the UK to bring in higher food standards

 

well - the reality is only in you consider bleached chicken, nictinides and DDT on veg and hormone soaked beef 'higher' food standards

[tobyjugg2]

Boris Johnson’s £840-a-roll gold wallpaper ‘keeps falling down’ 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-wallpaper-flat-refurb-b1850209.html

Edited May 19, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

The Daniel Morgan enquiry is at an interesting stage. Priti Patel wants to review the independent panel's report and might redact it, before it's published. The excuses are Human Rights legislation and national security. I wonder what they want to hide?

 

The panel have released an interesting statement but are refusing to release the report to the Home Office.

 

https://www.danielmorganpanel.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/DMIP-press-notice-Statement-18.5.2021-2.pdf

[brassnecked]

Hide the fact someone was "offed" like it was alleged Dr David Kelly with Blair and WMD was.

[honeybee13]

Offed, BN?

[tobyjugg2]

"Morgan, a private investigator, was murdered in March 1987 in south London, with no one convicted for his murder and

the Metropolitan police accepting corruption blighted the case.

Morgan’s family also believe Rupert Murdoch’s media empire has questions to answer."

 

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/05/19/did-murdoch-or-the-met-delay-the-daniel-morgan-independent-panel-report/

https://byline.com/2017/06/28/murdochs-corporate-knowledge-of-the-daniel-morgan-murder-and-misleading-parliament/

https://hackinginquiry.org/daniel-morgan-murder-leveson-2-updated/

 

(alleged collusion between organised criminality in the met and Murdocks media empire)

 

"Initially, the Home Office said that it wanted to move the publication date from Monday 17 May to Monday 24 May because of procedural problems around the parliamentary timetable and the funeral of Prince Philip. Then yesterday, the Panel dropped a bombshell: Patel wanted to override the Panel and hold back publication until her staff have had a chance to “review” and possibly redact the long-awaited contents."

 

despite

"The Panel, first initiated by then Home Secretary Theresa May in 2013 after an emotional meeting with the Morgan family, had a specific remit to steer it clear of political interference. The only role for the Home Office was “make arrangements for the final report’s publication to Parliament”."

 

https://listverse.com/2016/07/01/10-disturbing-facts-about-britains-creepiest-unsolved-murder/

 

and of course

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/04/hnery-porter-rupert-murdoch-corruption

 

Yet despite all this Murdock has NOT been banned from holdings, let alone running media in the UK

 

even:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738637/Revealed-How-drunk-crime-scene-detective-derailed-100million-axe-head-case-emerges-secret-police-files-brutal-murder-private-eye-slammed-pathetic-probe.html

 

 

 

"Once again, the norms of British governance are being bent, putting the rule of law under renewed pressure. But what exactly happened between the delivery of the report and the last-minute delay? Who could have leant on the Home Secretary to break the stern remit of independence characterising independent panel inquiries?"

Edited May 20, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

The Byline Times has an analysis of the proposed trade deal with Australia. Very favourable to them and could be terrible news for British farmers, especially in Scotland and Wales.

 

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/05/19/the-uk-australia-trade-deal-a-tale-of-brexit-insanity/

[tobyjugg2]

yep, Johnson wants a deal a bit bigger than some banannas from Nigeria to announce at the G7

- even if it shows the world that the UK can be saddled with any crap deal which will destroy its own businesses

[tobyjugg2]

so, brexiters claimed no-one was threatening our place in the single market

- reality is we have no place in the single market

 

Brexiters used the fishermen as a headline for Brexit Britain

reality is the fishermen are going bankrupt

 

Brexiters claimed Brexit was for British farmer

reality is for Australian and American farmers

 

Brexiters claimed that standards wouldn't drop

reality is Australian and American standards

 

Brexiters claimed no barriers to travel or business

reality is the UK as a little island dumping ground for bleached chicken, hormone soaked beef - IF you have a job to buy it.

[honeybee13]

More dodgy financial dealings for Boris, according to the Mail.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9606217/Butler-smuggled-27-000-organic-takeaways-No-10-paid-wife-Tory-donor.html

[unclebulgaria67]

I am going to lock the thead temporarily, while I move the Israel/Gaza discussion over to a separate thread.

[unclebulgaria67]

Separate thread created for the debate on UK Policitians response to the current Israel/Gaza situation.