Article 50 Discussion

[honeybee13]

Johnson senior is applying for French citizenship.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-johnson-father-idUSKBN2950VB

[citizenB]

They're welcome to him, HB

[tobyjugg2]

Now what did the brexiters say about EU and British VAT?

 

The reality:

"EU firms refuse deliveries to UK

A growing number of specialist retailers in the EU have decided they won’t deliver to the UK because of the new costs involved in sending packages.

 

Bicycle firm Dutch Bike Bits, for instance, said: “We are forced by British policy to stop dealing with British customers.”

The Belgium-based company Beer On Web said it would no longer send to the UK “due to the new Brexit measures”. And Scandinavian Outdoor said: “No delivery to UK just now.”

 

It follows Brexit-enforced changes to VAT – which is now being collected at the point of sale rather than at the point of the goods are imported.

It means that overseas retailers who wish to send goods to the UK have to register for VAT here and account for it to HMRC if the product is less than £135."

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-updates-boris-johnson-sunak-b1782440.html

[tobyjugg2]

Oh

and for those who think brexit + thin deal is done

Think again.

 

Its yet to be ratified in the EU and many expect Johnson to breach the agreement before its actually even fully approved by the EU

 

https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/eu-member-states-and-european-parliament-provisionally-approve-brexit-deal

[honeybee13]

Barnier's book could be an interesting read.

 

Who's expecting Doris to breach the agreement and how, TJ?

[tobyjugg2]

Who isnt is perhaps a more pertinent question?

 

NI is likely first, but anything that doesn't suit him in the agreement he agreed - which will be loads of it once someone explains to him what he agreed in his great deal - just like last time

 

 

[honeybee13]

You're talking about the Internal Markets Bill/Act?  I don't blame the EU for trying to button it down given what he did last time but if he tries anything now, he could find himself slapped with tarriffs or in dispute with the EU.

 

And the UK could find it very hard to sign further trade deals because no one else will trust us. It's no way to run a country.

[tobyjugg2]

yes - exactly

 

Could all start kicking off as early as next week

(look at whats happening now with shipments going over without the proper docs)

Edited January 5, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

HMRC's wizard wheeze on VAT is going well. Suppliers are boycotting the UK.

 

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/05/ludicrous-brexit-vat-change-wreaks-havoc-with-importers-and-exporters/

 

Adding another article.

 

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/04/uk-faces-trade-boycott-after-brexit-vat-change/

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/397253-article-50-discussion/?do=findComment&comment=5088191

[honeybee13]

Oops. Apologies, TJ, I overlooked that one.

[tobyjugg2]

No worries

Great minds and all that

 

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Arron Banks's Leave.EU has transferred its domain registration to Ireland, in the name of a businessman who says he's never heard of them.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/08/irish-mp-calls-regulator-to-investigate-leaveeus-irish-registration

[tobyjugg2]

and the trashing of regulations begins in earnest

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bees-kill-pesticide-insect-sugar-neonic-b1784693.html

 

A bee-killing pesticide so poisonous that it is banned by the EU may be used on sugar beet in England, the government ('Environment' secretary George Eustice ) has announced .

 

[honeybee13]

I've been meaning to post this which is just as bad as your link, TJ. Daniel Hannan who is intrinsically linked with Brexit now wants to scrap worker protections, GDPR, consumer protections, you name it.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-consumer-worker-protections-brexit-b1783331.html

[brassnecked]

Hannan is an outright charlatan, a real unadulterated 1720's style Fwee Twader.  the GDPR provisions very difficult to remove, as it would likely result in  a complete ban on Data Transfer of EU nationals to UK, among other big problems for the City Traders.

[tobyjugg2]

4 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

I've been meaning to post this which is just as bad as your link, TJ. Daniel Hannan who is intrinsically linked with Brexit now wants to scrap worker protections, GDPR, consumer protections, you name it.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-consumer-worker-protections-brexit-b1783331.html

 

Which will of course trash the level playing field agreements with the EU

- UK sugar looking at an EU ban if they go ahead with the banned  pesticide - which also perhaps trashes the level playing field agreements

Edited January 9, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

seems it was Johnsons man that caused all the problems with artists and EU tours, not the EU as Johnson and crew have lied - what a surprise

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-visa-free-work-musicians-eu-brexit-b1784600.html

UK ‘rejected offer’ of visa-free tours by musicians in EU, despite blaming Brussels for permit blow

 

"A “standard” proposal to exempt performers from the huge cost and bureaucracy for 90 days was turned down, The Independent has been told – because the government is insisting on denying that to EU artists visiting this country."

[tobyjugg2]

Oh dear 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-food-exports-scotland-fisheries-red-tape-b1785205.html

 

"The opportunity for the UK to continue to trade with the continent w?as touted as a key upside of the PMs Brexit deal in the run up to December 31st - with Boris Johnson saying the accord “will if anything allow our companies and our exporters to do even more business with our European friends”.

 

However 10 days into the year food and drink firms including those exporting seafood have been left with no way to transport their goods across the channel after a number of haulier firms decided to stop any groupage transport - which allows companies unable to fill a full trailer with their delivery to share the journey with goods from others."

 

 

Good job most of the UK fishing rights are owned by the darned foreigners anyway eh (well apart from in Scotland and NI)?

 

 

 

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/

"As Unearthed’s investigation reveals, this would leave the bulk of UK (England) fishing rights in the hands of a small domestic elite and a handful of foreign multinationals.

 

Edited January 11, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Unison leading the way with sensible op;tions as always

Corbyns candidate just 11%

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/unison-keir-starmer-christina-mcanea-b1785494.html

 

Unite next

[honeybee13]

Exports fell in the months leading up to the end of the transition period. Perhaps covid had something to do with it, but as the article says, if things are disrupted is it really the time to be signing a new trade agreement?

 

This quote from a government spokesperson is singularly lacking in insight.

 

A spokesperson said: “The deal will help unlock investment and protect high-value jobs right across the UK, from financial services through to car manufacturing.

 

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/11/bumps-to-overcome-uk-eu-exports-fell-by-39-8-billion-in-months-before-brexit/

[brassnecked]

Issue is why were they surprised that these barriers would be there, Richard North was shouting about it sine the Referendum

https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-counting-the-costs/

[honeybee13]

I know you rate Richard North very highly, BN, but reading him recently I have to say he seems to be more keen on saying that all and sundry don't know what they're doing thn on offering solutions.

 

Looking at his and his son's tweets not that long ago, they seem to be quite hardline Leavers who aren't averse to violence to get what they want.

[tobyjugg2]

and they are likely to get it

 

I can easily see that Johnsons 'grate deal' wont be ratified by the EU parliament in March sue to extensive breaches of the agreement before its even properly ratified

 

NI customs agreements are already on the brink as are UK financial institutions who are already trying to bypass EU agreements and law regarding touting customers they no longer have any legal right to approach.

 

Car manufacturing is in reverse

 

Food deliveries, especially fresh fruit and veg, is already being seriously impacted

 

and Johnson just carries on BS lying.

 

 

I think the following defines it quite well

'48% of Turkeys didn't vote for Christmas and 60% of those who did thought they were voting for cake

[brassnecked]

NI was sold down the river for sure.