Article 50 Discussion

[honeybee13]

Talks seem to have been suspended because one of Barnier's team tested positive for Covid. I wonder if there is something else because I'd have thought they could continue remotely?

[tobyjugg2]

I cant understand why any talks are occurring at all other than as a front

Would you agree a deal with someone you know does not honour their agreements and already owes you?

 

and why is Brexit still happening when every single one of the assurances by the Brexiters justifying brexit are proven to be false?

Not as described - money back thank you.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

On the largest military spending spree since the last one, Boris has announced that 16.5 billion pounds will be spent on replacing outdated rifles, missiles, tanks and howitzers with the latest lazer weapons.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-defence/post-brexit-uk-announces-largest-military-spending-since-cold-war-idUKKBN27Y314

 

Much of the funding to be sourced from the unnecessary waste of funds which would otherwise be used in foreign aide and feeding children. The rest and any overspends will simply be funded by the taxpayer.

 

 

 

Johnson has arranged for his old school pal Montague Money-Pitt to have £16 BILLION pounds to supply the UK military with up to a thousand of the latest lazer weapons - a combined light sabre and lazer beam weapon effective at up to 99 miles, which can be seen here:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rechargeable-990Miles-Green-Laser-Pointer-Pen-532nm-Star-Beam-Light-Lazer-18650/333792493308?hash=item4db7953efc:g:s9UAAOSwlXJfr3gW

 

and the first SSAS (Space Special Air Service) unit will be set up with 4 of these latest lazer weapons and a frequent flier discount on Virgin Galactic flights for the team at the bargain price of just 100 million pounds each (400 million pounds).

 

Note

This UK military complete refit will occur in Tandem with the creation of the bridge over and tunnel under Beauforts dyke and its megatons of WWI munitions to bypass the NI customs issues of brexit.

https://www.irishpost.com/news/boris-johnsons-bridge-northern-ireland-scotland-become-tunnel-irish-sea-181131

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bridge-northern-ireland-scotland-boris-johnson-tunnel-irish-sea-a9379706.html

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-irish-sea-tunnel-scotland-network-rail-b1640867.html

Edited November 19, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-talks-landing-zone-ireland-b1724454.html

 

lower down in the article reference to a report the current negotiator did:

"In a forgotten pamphlet written just before the 2016 referendum, Lord Frost argued that “it will be Britain that has to make the concessions to get the deal”.

Lord Frost's 2016 report, unearthed by the Financial Times, was written in a personal capacity by the future negotiator and published by political consultancy and PR agency Portland Communications.

The document, entitled “Britain Votes Leave: What Happens Next”, also argued that it “simply isn’t worth jeopardising access to the single market for the sake of global trade”. This is now explicit UK government policy."

 

see attached

 

BrexitBooklet_web.pdf

[honeybee13]

Slightly off-topic, Johnson has said he's standing by Priti Useless. His advisor on the Ministerial Code, who carried out the investigation, has resigned.

 

What does a minister have to do to be sacked in this government?

[tobyjugg2]

easy - critique Johnsons latest (but almost certainly not last)

 

"“So, Boris Johnson didn't fire Dominic Cummings for breaking Lockdown rules, destroying public confidence & costing many lives. But he did fire him for briefing against his fiancée."

- Piers Morgan

 

Pritti monstrous of course sided with her to get rid of people in her (patels) way

Edited November 20, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Very true, well done Piers.

[tobyjugg2]

perhaps time is right to reacquaint ourselves with

 

https://infacts.org/exactly-canada-style-deal/

[honeybee13]

I don't know where else to put this. openDemocracy have found that the Cabinet Office has a secretive 'Orwellian' unit that is deeply involved in the Freedom of Information process. Very disturbing.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/24/orwellian-government-unit-obstructs-freedom-of-information-says-report

[brassnecked]

The Ministry Of Truth.

[tobyjugg2]

"Moody’s cut its credit rating on Britain’s sovereign debt by one notch. The rating is still of high quality, though
one factor ominously underpinning Moody’s downgrade is the “diminished” quality of Britain’s “legislative and
executive institutions”."

- The Economist

 

[tobyjugg2]

Ironic that the £10 billion Sunack will gain from freezing the pay of the public sector heroes who kept us going through the pandemic despite lack of resources - including protective equipment ...

 

... is bang on the £10 billion reported as wasted by the Tories giving vast sums of money to Tory preferred middle men who mainly delivered faulty unusable PPE or nothing at all ..

 

.. Including £27 million to a single middle man for ordering some stuff from a Chinese factory - I'm sure there will be worse.

 

I'd have done it from my ebay account (probably more effectively and successfully) for a few hundred quid.

Wouldn't have needed an RAF Hercules to fly to Turkey for duff stuff either.

 

[honeybee13]

Apart from a few hauliers who are testing the IT system for freight traffic crossing the Channel, the software will only be available from 23rd December! Things look worse and worse for early January.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

One would be excused for thinking the Tories want these businesses to go bust ...

They clearly aren't Tory minister mates ..

 

Tories:

Prepare for Brexit

 

Businesses: How?

 

Tories:

Prepare for Brexit in January, we aspire to have working systems in the coming months and years. 

Meeting these undefined and unimplemented border and customs requirements is your responsibility - as we've already told you.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

For the party of business, they really don't seem to have a clue how businesses operate and plan ahead, just expect them to operate a system that comes out two days before a major public holiday, to take one example.

[tobyjugg2]

It is quite clear how to run a successful business

 

Matt Hancock? Whos he?

No mate of mine and nothing to do with my plastic cup and takaway box business getting multi-million pound covid medical grade vial  contracts under emergency legislation

(wonder if those were the ones that cost a fortune to be disposed of as they were such poor quality?)

 

 

Hancock and his covid contract beneficiary mate at the appropriately named cock inn - where they (allegedly) never had a drink together.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/26/matt-hancock-former-neighbour-won-covid-test-kit-contract-after-whatsapp-message

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Other than that, it would seem to need to be illegal arms trade

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-nigeria-arms-company-b1761832.html

[honeybee13]

The chancellor seems to have not declared all of his and his family's financial interests, according to the Guardian.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/27/huge-wealth-of-sunaks-family-not-declared-in-ministerial-register

[tobyjugg2]

Interesting that Corbyn, the Carbuncle on Labours backside, despite saying he did not intend to “belittle concerns” about antisemitism and regretted the “pain this issue has caused the Jewish community and would wish to do nothing that would exacerbate or prolong it”. 

 

has still not removed his claim that the scale of the problem had been “dramatically overstated for political reasons” by opponents and the media.

 

 

while his activists and supporters continue with their antics ensuring Labour cannot as yet move on from arguably labours worst electoral defeat in its history against arguably the most feeble of opponents, and continues to accuse others of tactics that the Corbynists blatantly implemented themselves. How Johnsonist.

 

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/mp-speaks-out-after-jewish-4746153

 

 

Edited November 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

isn't the Corbyn suing the Starmer?

[tobyjugg2]

That about Starmer so called 'interfering' in the process by refusing Corbyn the whip?

Bit rich from 'deselect em and refer any complaints to my office Corbyn

 

anyway, If starmer was interfering, Corbyn wouldn't be back in the labour party.

 

and Corbyn should NOT be back in the labour party before Corbyn removes that statement undermining the investigations findings - if ever.

 

Starmer needs to kick them all out .. now. Cluck might take unite with them ... but he should be gone soon and he'll soon be losing craploads of his union members when the UK car industry collapses - largely enabled by Corbyn even if implemented by Johnson.

 

Just as Johnson is crapping all over the farmers that supported him

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/farmers-could-subsidies-slashed-new-4748707

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-farming-george-eustice-b1763767.html

 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

oh and thinking that throwing the supporting MPs like Abbott out might force by-elections, some of which might go Tory ...

... its my honest opinion that a few more Tories in parliament now is far FAR FAR less of a danger to Labour than the Corbynistas remaining in their midst.

Edited November 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

oh and expanding on one of the core points:

 

Corbyn said he regrets it took ‘longer to deliver that change than it should,’ but that… ‘the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated’.

- More Corbyn Johnsonite BS

 

and the point needs making that despite Corbyn claiming it was 'dramatically' less of a problem than those affected and an independent investigation claimed .. he still; at the very least; failed to address that alleged (by him) 'dramatically' lessor problem

 

Of course, a more accurate although still generous statement would seem to be that Corbyn took ‘longer to fail to deliver that change'

.. although IMO - Corbyn rapidly made it worse and actually empowered certain types of racism would perhaps be MOST accurate

 

 

Throw them all out NOW Starmer - it will be more damaging if you don't.

Edited November 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

Several Jewish friends said they were going to leave the UK if Corbyn was PM.  They are now doing a Stalin V Trotsky it seems, but who will jezza target for the icepick?

[tobyjugg2]

this is Starmers other real threat (apart from Corbyn) ...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/dan-rosenfield-who-is-chief-of-staff-boris-johnson-b1763447.html

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8990391/PM-drafts-former-Treasury-adviser-Dan-Rosenfield-new-chief-staff.html

 

https://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2020/11/dan-rosenfeld-is-johnsons-new-chief-of-staff-thats-the-admin-sorted-we-hope-but-what-about-the-politics.html

Edited November 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2