Article 50 Discussion

[tobyjugg2]

The numpties supposedly in charge cant even sort out trade with the island next door

Edited September 26, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

and apparently have sweet FA of the systems ready to implement the Kent border,

... which is needed because they haven't got the systems in place to manage the UK-EU border or UK-Ireland border they have striven so hard for and had sold so enthusiastically ..

[unclebulgaria67]

Campaign starts ? Independence for Kent, so it becomes a separate customs area and can charge a tariff on goods transported through its territory.  With the money raised, citizens of Kent might then have little or no income taxes to pay.

 

I could see this campaign being started and it could grow in popularity.

 

Would be funny if Brexit led to break up of UK and break away by some English counties. 

[honeybee13]

Very good, UB.

 

I'm not clear on the status of Kent now. People are talking about it being part of France, etc, but how is tht when the 'border' only applies to lorries?

[unclebulgaria67]

HB, is the Kent/France issue related to current arrangement with French border officers in Kent and UK border officers in France ?

 

Not sure whether this  arrangement will change from 1/1/21, if there is no deal.

 

Given previous actions by French farmers and industrial action by others, then with UK out of the EU, I can see problems ahead. Could there be blockades at French ports, with UK unable to exert much pressure through EU ?  

 

 

[brassnecked]

And there are moves for Welsh Independence, it a mainly cardiff thing at the moment, as North West Wales is aligned miore closely economically with Cheshire, the Wirral, and Greater manchester, than the denziens of Cardiff Bay.

 

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/new-yougov-poll-shows-highest-18832964

[tobyjugg2]

The future of the free port of Kent?

Perhaps the rest of us should be implementing border checks this side of Kent?

Sri Lanka returns illegal waste to Britain

21 containers violated international laws governing the shipping of hazardous material

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/27/sri-lanka-returns-waste-to-britain

 

"Another 242 containers from Britain, which the government said were carrying illegal garbage in violation of international law, remain abandoned at the same port and at a free trade zone outside the capital. They arrived in 2017 and 2018.

The Sri Lankan government is currently engaged in legal action against the shipper to have the 242 containers removed from the country."

[honeybee13]

Not good, TJ.

 

There's a business opportunity in the making. I've never understood why we can't do our own recycling.

[brassnecked]

 

Some of the plastics are non recyclable, and there is an issue with burning them apparently.

Meantime the negotiation pantomime is coming to a close

 

https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-approaching-the-end-game/

 

[tobyjugg2]

7 hours ago, brassnecked said:

 

Some of the plastics are non recyclable, and there is an issue with burning them apparently.

Meantime the negotiation pantomime is coming to a close

 

 

The details say theres clinical and biological waste in the containers too

[tobyjugg2]

7 hours ago, brassnecked said:

 

 

https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-approaching-the-end-game/

 

 

So whos going to sign this latest 'great deal' on the UK's behalf to give it even a semblance of credibility ?

Boris the Liar/Oathbreaker?

 

Waste of paper ...

Edited September 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

I think our credibility has dropped badly. The Irish PM [I can't spell it in Gaelic] more or less said they don't trust the UK government.

[honeybee13]

There are some crazy ideas being thrown around about asylum seekers, retired ferries and oil platforms, Moldova, Morocco, etc. Are they serious or a distraction from something else?

 

Apparently these are coming from Downing Street, so it's Demonic and not Priti Vacant.

[tobyjugg2]

In addition to all that, article I saw says priti monstrous was considering wave machine to 'discourage' dingies

So the UK gov considered capsizing dingies full of people to 'discourage migrant boats, and what? left them in the water rather than rescue as required by international law - that they had just broken anyway .. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-immigration-channel-crossings-border-refugees-priti-patel-refugee-asylum-b727075.html

[honeybee13]

Do you think they're serious, TJ, or is this a distraction from other problems like Covid and Brexit?

[brassnecked]

They are a discredited shower of Thunderbird puppets, hancock looks like one in his gait and actions, Demonic is the Puppetmaster, he's straight out of a 1980's Charles Band Horror film.

 

Patel is clueless, fly migrants to Ascrnsion Island to process them.....

[honeybee13]

We could give her a one-way flight to go and look at Ascension Island, lol.

[tobyjugg2]

I'm priti sure that she wont be 'ascending' anywhere when the time comes. Nice and warm though? ...

 

Although If the legends are anything to go by she will probably be in a VERY small boat in a rough sea with Johnson, Jenrick, rees-mogg and handcock in the coldest part of the Atlantic .. forever ..

Edited October 1, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

41 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Do you think they're serious, TJ, or is this a distraction from other problems like Covid and Brexit?

 

I think they were/are serious and simply further demonstrate the complete and utter unsuitability of any of these populists for positions of responsibility

[honeybee13]

Unbelievable. I wonder if they've asked the other countries if they agree? It's not clear.

[tobyjugg2]

55 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Unbelievable. I wonder if they've asked the other countries if they agree? It's not clear.

 

We are talking about populist plans here HB

Implement and change the laws to support it afterwards

 

... Financial sector is accelerating its moves of assets/staff to the EU as they are expecting VERY limited 'equivalence' which the UK gov are expected to immediately breach ..

... apparently part of the benefits packages are that they can get covid test results reliably in under 24 hours ...

 

UK car sector preparing to dramatically downsize/run down  as any 'deal' is literally not worth the paper its written on making any investment not specifically targeted at purely UK shrinking market or using Japans trade deal with EU VERY high risk. 

[honeybee13]

Just to say that Ursula van der Leyen is making an announcement at 11.0 CET. Some people expect it to be the start of legal action over the internal market bill.

[tobyjugg2]

Yep

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-vonderleyen/eu-launches-legal-case-against-uk-over-internal-market-bill-idUKKBN26M5GL

 

Somewht limited effects given the timescales, but even the threat of sanctions (far worse than no deal) will accelerate business decisions on leaving the UK

[honeybee13]

Thank you for the link, TJ.

 

So power comes with responsiblity, who would have known?

 

The attraction of Brexit seems to be fading, Business Insider had a poll the other day that said a good percentage of the population now think it's a bad idea to leave Europe compared to those who think it's a good thing. And Liz Truss has negotiated a deal with Japan that's worse than the one we had via the EU and given away some sovereignty.

 

Excellent.

[tobyjugg2]

Johnson will be thinking, they (the EU) cant do owt in the timescales before we exit and the EU wont break the law like I do

- but that simply shows the mans limitations in the cognitive department and complete lack of properly thinking things through - as he thinks he can just flip flop say owt, do owt without consequences - real business and real trade will prove him wrong and WE will suffer - he wont.

 

Johnsons blather about the good old days and utter incompetence is taking us back to the ;good old' days of the suez crisis

I think Starmer knows that and is largely sitting it out - not that he can do much without mobilising overwhelming british opinion - and he isnt.

 

bet Putin thinks his few millions investment in Leave was the best money he ever spent. Probably less than the cost of a single fighter plane.