Article 50 Discussion

[honeybee13]

I'm thinking that getting the Chinese to pay for HS2 [and benefit from any profits it manages to make] is a way for the government to avoid forking out £100bn or more for the project.

 

Along with links with Russia being talked about, this is a concern.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

So do the Chinese think they can do it cheaper and faster by walking over workers, environmental and peoples rights as they do in China?

or do they think they can reduce costs by dumping Chinese steel through their 'british' steel company?

or do they perhaps think that they can replace Johnsons choices for running and building?

 

??

 

 

in the meantime this could be interesting:

Sacked aide launches unfair dismissal claim after Dominic Cummings had her frogmarched out of Downing Street

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sonia-khan-sacked-downing-street-dominic-cummings-unfair-dismissal-a9337311.html

[tobyjugg2]

and amidst mounting pressure from teh US and australia re Huawwei

the US/trans pacific (since when was that next door) deal would seem to be even more feeble than even I thought it was (which wasn't much)

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deals-us-trump-asia-boris-johnson-eu-a9336331.html

 

"Studies expected to show the UK will gain little from post-Brexit trade deals with the US and the big Asian economies are being suppressed by the government, The Independent can reveal.

Analyses were completed as long ago as 2017 into the probable impact on growth from agreements long hailed as the prize for leaving the EU, but ministers are refusing to release them.

One trade expert said he had little doubt they were being concealed because they would – like independent studies – reveal that significant damage from new trade barriers with the continent will far outweigh the gain from other deals."

 

 

 

"Alan Winters, professor of economics at the University of Sussex, joined with Labour in calling on ministers to reveal what they had been told, saying: “The entire Brexit debate has been conducted in a great fog of obfuscation.”

 

 

"The secrecy leaves a November 2018 Treasury document as the only official forecast – putting the GDP gain from deals with the US, Australia and New Zealand at a puny 0.2 per cent."

 

 

 

 

Now too me than seems to be FAR LESS the the UK benefits we are losing from the EU-Japan deal alone, let alone everything else.

Edited February 16, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

More on Bojo and infrastructure projects.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/17/irish-sea-bridge-boris-johnson-folly#comment-138283371

[tobyjugg2]

Getting crazier by the day

 

Lunatic projects

Eugenics

enhancement drugs ...

 

Like a mix between old steam punk, the wild wild west, and the wrath of khan

[brassnecked]

They will want to build an Airship next, a R101 A

[honeybee13]

The immigration clampdown has started. Reading this, I can't help thinking that employers needing waiting staff, carers and agricultural jobs are going to struggle.

 

The government don't seem to be listening.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/18/uk-to-close-door-to-non-english-speakers-and-unskilled-workers?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0yMDAyMTk%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK

[tobyjugg2]

 

‘Economically inactive’ Britons could do jobs in sectors where there are shortages under new system,

says Priti Patel

 

Patel insisted that 20% of available working age people were inactive and could be encouraged into work.

When challenged on this figure, she said that plans to raise the working age to 80 would make them true.

 

'I saw you at your care home reaching out for some cabbage from your wheelchair at the dinner table - entirely unaided,

... so don't tell me you can't reach out and pick cabbages

says Priti Patel

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/19/immigration-firms-will-need-to-train-more-uk-workers-says-priti-patel

Edited February 19, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Priti was also challenged over whether her parents who arrived in the 1960s from Uganda would be able to immigrate with the new rules.

 

She didn't really have an answer.

 

I don't suppose the pension age of 80 will apply to MPs?

[tobyjugg2]

I heard the answer was 'My parents were persecuted so they would be OK anyway, not like those middle eastern types who are just trying to escape a war and being beheaded or shot, let alone those lazy EU migrant workers who are just after an easy time picking a few cabbages. I mean, thats so easy our disabled and old can do that for their benefits... which they wont need as they will have a job.

Edited February 19, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

I read that Priti's parents arrived through choice from Uganda in the 60s, before Idi Amin threw out Asians in 1972. So they weren't necessarily vulnerable at the time. Someone online asked if Priti was made Home Secretary so they could send her out to justify decisions like this one.

 

The part about retraining pensioners and sick people is, err, ambitious.

[tobyjugg2]

I don't condone death threats to Mps in any way, and think thats abhorrent,

and even if PP did die for whatever reason, I would go to the pub and throw the wake of the century to mourn her passing.

 

 

Edited February 19, 2020 by tobyjugg2
More honest

[honeybee13]

Nobody should have death threats, whatever their beliefs. Violence solves nothing IMO.

[tobyjugg2]

There are monsters in this world, yet I'm firmly of the opinion that in a world of monsters, she still stands out.

 

[London1971]

The real burning question is about us as a society. We knew what they would be like but still voted for them to have an unopposed mandate for the next 5 years. Why?

[honeybee13]

Some say it was to 'Get Brexit Done' because a lot of people wanted to stop hearing about the subject. It seems they just wanted it to stop, regardless of the outcome.

[Jase1982]

4 minutes ago, London1971 said:

The real burning question is about us as a society. We knew what they would be like but still voted for them to have an unopposed mandate for the next 5 years. Why?

 

Not me .... my conscience is clear.  If only all the right wing propaganda hadnt been ingested by a lot of people.

[London1971]

But aside from Brexit people had the opportunity to see Boris & co and what they would be like . Yet still wanted it to happen. We knew it would be a car crash. Yet the country gave it the full go ahead. 

[tobyjugg2]

1. Many were sick of getting nowhere

2. Nobody trusted Corbyn to get anywhere they wanted to go

3. In fact, Nobody trusted Corbyn at all - they at least trusted Johnson to be Johnson and be British ,,, even if a shoddy kind of British

[London1971]

1 minute ago, Jase1982 said:

 

Not me .... my conscience is clear.  If only all the right wing propaganda hadnt been ingested by a lot of people.

No, I disagree people (most people) aren’t stupid. In fact it’s wrong to say they are. They knew damn well what they were getting into, and went for it anyway.

 

i kind of wish it was because of stupidity, that would be less disturbing.

[Jase1982]

2 minutes ago, London1971 said:

No, I disagree people (most people) aren’t stupid. In fact it’s wrong to say they are. They knew damn well what they were getting into, and went for it anyway.

 

i kind of wish it was because of stupidity, that would be less disturbing.

 

I didn't say they were stupid.  It's just almost impossible to tell fact from fiction living in such a hyper normalised world.  Hence why most brexiteers don't believe you when you state a fact to them.. they think facts are the work of fiction and fake news.  Equally, a lot of what is said on the opposite side of the fence sounds like fake news and made up nonsense.  Although, we know for an absolute undeniable fact that brexit was based on lies.  I'm just trying to sound impartial!

[London1971]

Yup, just looking on Twitter sometimes I feel like disconnecting from the Internet. Seeing some of the comments. We can’t put the genie back I. The bottle. BS and fake news is here to stay.

[tobyjugg2]

24 minutes ago, Jase1982 said:

 

 If only all the left wing propaganda hadnt been ingested by a lot of people.

 

Bold is mine, not Jase's

 

 

...

Its not going away just because you refuse to look Jase

 

You came,

They saw

You were conquered

 

The people simply and quite clearly did NOT want what Corbnism was selling, and despte the crap Johnson is pouring out, the polls say it would be the same today.

 

For the sake of the country - GO (only right thing he said)

Edited February 19, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[Jase1982]

5 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

Bold is mine, not Jase's

 

 

...

Its not going away just because you refuse to look Jase

 

You came,

They saw

You were conquered

 

The people simply and quite clearly did NOT want what Corbnism was selling, and despte the crap Johnson is pouring out, the polls say it would be the same today.

 

For the sake of the country - GO (only right thing he said)

I'm not getting into this again... shall we just change it to propaganda in general so as to come together on the issue..

 

Although I'm at a loss to know what left wing propaganda I fell for to make me vote for Labour.  But I guess that is the point.  Everyone takes a particular point of view

[tobyjugg2]

1 minute ago, Jase1982 said:

Although I'm at a loss to know what left wing propaganda I fell for to make me vote for Labour.  But I guess that is the point.

 

Says the person who self-admittedly NEVER voted Labour before Corbyn

 

Jase its that head in the sand of the loons who are holding the party to ransom that are the problem.