Article 50 Discussion

[tobyjugg2]

46 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

The guy has actually been an utter blight on the UK and the hopes of working people.

 

 

 

and he continues to be an utter blight on the labour party, trying to hang on to power through awarding permanent posts to his people who refuse to even acknowledge they are the source of the failures, and Long-live-Corbyn-Bailey using the parties resources to promote Corbynism despite only getting about 5000 votes in momentems heavily weighted pre-defined ballot of its 40,000 members.

 

 

Bloody disgrace.

 

 

I have major doubts even a resounding victory for Starmer will stop the rot.

Edited January 29, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[Jase1982]

16 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

Thats not what the voters have said is it Jase?

 

How many years was Blair in power ... ?

What did the voters show of their opinion of Corbyn?

- They don't want him no matter what the other choice might be.

 

Any real doubts that had a 'Blair been leading labour against May/Johnson it would have been anything other than a labour victory?

May would never have called that election where she lost her majority at least - she would have lost the government.

 

In fact, any real doubts of almost anyone else being Labour leader would see the leave vote winning?

I don't. Not for a second.

 

The guy has actually been an utter blight on the UK and the hopes of working people.

 

 

 

I feel we are just going round in circles with this debate, and you have your entrenched viewpoint, which I respect.  It is your view.  I just disagree on some points because, to reiterate, Labour still won as many votes as Blair did in 2002.  The Brexit situation split the vote, and I don't personally understand why you can't take on board that this election was unique as a lot of Labour voters turned to the Tories because of Brexit.  I also don't understand how anyone can not see the role of the media in setting the anti Corbyn narrative.  It is a fact that people largely get their information from news sources, and it is also a fact that the media representation was majorly anti Corbyn, or at least leaning against Labour.  I don't see how someone can't see the correlation between a wholly negative media campaign and the notion that Corbyn would be very very "bad" for the country.

 

Ask a lot of people why he would have been bad for the country and you get some vague BS about taking us back to the 1970's (Something suggested by Tory politicians and media outlets), or some nonsense about "bankrupting the country" (Again, merely repeating what some Tory politicians and media outlets have told them, without being able to coherently describe why their economic strategy would ruin us all)

 

Your viewpoint seems to be that he's after power.  I would argue that a man who has spent 40 years on the backbenches arguing against the policies of even his own party suggests otherwise.  Unfortunately Corbyn has had to come to the realisation that when you get to the top in the current power vacuum, principles largely have to go out the window, and your opponents will come after you like never before.  Take the media campaign about Corbyn being a terrorist as an example - 40 years an MP with access to sensitive material, yet no doubts were raised until AFTER he becomes a real threat.

 

I think even Blair would have lost this election, especially given Iraq severely blighted his premiership.

 

You're also under the illusion that I am some sort of Corbyn fan boy.  I'm not.  I support the truth, and take a reasoned viewpoint on any situation.  I had never voted Labour prior to 2015.

[tobyjugg2]

Seems Boris' statement on allowing huawei into none core infrastructure has limited the extra costs to £500 million over 5 years

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-bt-outlook/bt-disappoints-on-revenues-huawei-cap-to-cost-it-500-million-pounds-idUKKBN1ZT0ML

 

 

added

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/12/security-bt-and-ee-to-remove-huawei-kit-from-uk-mobile-network.html

Edited January 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, Jase1982 said:

 

The Brexit situation split the vote, and I don't personally understand why you can't take on board that this election was unique as a lot of Labour voters turned to the Tories because of Brexit. 

 

 

You mean Corbyns stance on Brexit?

With neither Leavers nor remainers trusting him or even knew what his intents were?

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Jase1982 said:

 

 I also don't understand how anyone can not see the role of the media in setting the anti Corbyn narrative.

 

 

Don't you mean reporting the Corbyn narrative?

I may look at mail and express headlines, but I certainly dont believe them

 

'You are all wrong' 'Its the press' ''Its brexit' 'Its too many great policies' 'we won the argument' 'you dont understand' 'its a conspiracy' blah blah

 

 

1 hour ago, Jase1982 said:

 

Ask a lot of people why he would have been bad for the country and you get some vague BS about taking us back to the 1970's (Something suggested by Tory politicians and media outlets), or some nonsense about "bankrupting the country"

 

 

LOL Thats richest of all - how many times have I asked you to clarify - just for you to obfuscate and avoid

- and we curse the Brexiters for precisely that

 

 

1 hour ago, Jase1982 said:

 

I think even Blair would have lost this election, especially given Iraq severely blighted his premiership.

 

 

Rubbish

- like your claim Corbyn would immediately resign even if he simply didn't get a hung parliament (lol) - and whats happening?

- What I said, NOT what you said

 

 

1 hour ago, Jase1982 said:

 

You're also under the illusion that I am some sort of Corbyn fan boy.  I'm not.  I support the truth, and take a reasoned viewpoint on any situation.

 

 

I just say it as I see it and as you and he display it

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Jase1982 said:

 

I had never voted Labour prior to 2015.

 

 

Yes I dont doubt that at all. Not in the slightest.

and whats happened to Labour since then?

Please go back to wherever you were ... and take your mates

 

I've been a Labour voter and union member (and local union rep for 6 years) the vast majority of my life - until 2016.

 

 

Edited January 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, Jase1982 said:

 

I think even Blair would have lost this election, especially given Iraq severely blighted his premiership.

 

You're also under the illusion that I am some sort of Corbyn fan boy.  I'm not.  I support the truth, and take a reasoned viewpoint on any situation.  I had never voted Labour prior to 2015.

 

I don't see how someone can't see the correlation between a wholly negative media campaign and

 

and who is it shouts loudest about the Iraq 'issue' with false and misleading claims?

- Corbynites

 

The real justifications for intervention against Saddam Hussein were solid,

some of the reasons stated in Parliament closed meetings that came to light were not. and the follow up implementation was not.

 

Syria is a vastly different matter as was Libya.

 

 

 

 

Couldn't post this bit as initially intended to the Syria thread as its locked.

but it is probably more valid here anyway in the context

 

... Just didn't want to give Jase half an excuse to avoid the issues raised in the prior response. 

[buckthorn]

 

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AQ-D_OnF-E

 

 

                                                         Friday January 31^st 2020

11pm

Britain becomes a fully independent nation

for the first time in half a century

Bing! Bong! Bing! Bong! Bing! Bong! Bing! Bong!

Free from the unelected shower in Brussels.

Free from an undemocratic federalist corrupt organisation.

Yes! & Yes! again

Now for a drink in celebration, and a good nights sleep as a free nation.

Get over it remoaners and stop your winging.

                                                                        

                     

 

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

Get over it remoaners and stop your winging.

 

What's the plan for reuniting the nation, buckthorn?

[London1971]

They are celebrating their 'win'. 

[brassnecked]

The unelected technocrats, replaced by 19th century mindset of the Fwee Twaders. Only sane way forward is to join EFTA if they will let us, it sort of ticks most boxes for both sides.  Johnson and his cabal will resist that idea.

[tobyjugg2]

Buckthorn, hope you are your family are not one of the first stuck down by listera and/or salmonella from inadequately bleached and unlabelled Chicken from the United States of Listeria - I certainly hope none of my loved ones suffer

.. you do know the yanks reserve the good bleached stuff with genuine 'bleach quality' assurances and labelling for their home market  ..

 

 

mind you, theres a rumour that American organisms have developed a level of immunity to bleach, salmonella and listeria due to it being so prevalent in their food chain

 

Lets hope this isn't the New World getting its revenge for us taking smallpox and syphilis for which the indigenous population had no resistance  ...

 

 

"Investigation, by a team of microbiologists from Southampton University and published in the US journal mBio, found that bacilli such as listeria and salmonella remain completely active after chlorine washing. The process merely makes it impossible to culture them in the lab, giving the false impression that the chlorine washing has been effective. "

 

" Previous studies with similar findings have been dismissed by the US poultry industry as producing “laboratory-only” results with no relevance to the real world. “We therefore tested the strains of listeria and salmonella that we had chlorine-washed on nematodes [roundworms], which have a relatively complex digestive system,” said Professor William Keevil, who led the university team.

“All of them died. "

Edited February 1, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

We could all end up vegan or vegetarian...

[brassnecked]

Then the issue of GM rears its head HB

[honeybee13]

Very true, BN. You can see why the US don't want foods labelled as coming from there.

[king12345]

Sorry to reappear after a long pause.

I just wanted to say: "I TOLD YOU!".

Brexit has happened as I predicted and despite all the effort in stopping it.

Now for the next 2 predictions:

1. In 5 years time our economy would've grown faster than any other European country. 

2. In 15 years time the EU in its present form will cease to exist.

 

 

See you later.

[buckthorn]

On 01/02/2020 at 07:53, honeybee13 said:

Get over it remoaners and stop your winging.

 

What's the plan for reuniting the nation, buckthorn?

Ask Boris Johnson I am not the PM!

[buckthorn]

19 hours ago, king12345 said:

Sorry to reappear after a long pause.

I just wanted to say: "I TOLD YOU!".

Brexit has happened as I predicted and despite all the effort in stopping it.

Now for the next 2 predictions:

1. In 5 years time our economy would've grown faster than any other European country. 

2. In 15 years time the EU in its present form will cease to exist.

 

 

See you later.

I totally agree with your post king12345

[buckthorn]

On 01/02/2020 at 10:39, tobyjugg2 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Investigation, by a team of microbiologists from Southampton University and published in the US journal mBio, found that bacilli such as listeria and salmonella remain completely active after chlorine washing. The process merely makes it impossible to culture them in the lab, giving the false impression that the chlorine washing has been effective. "

 

 

So you are an expert on food now are you.

I am not surprised, after all you are an expert in everything else.

Your IQ level must be at least 289.

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, buckthorn said:

So you are an expert on food now are you.

I am not surprised, after all you are an expert in everything else.

Your IQ level must be at least 289.

 

The source of the info summary is in the post,

Copied for you as you appear to be struggling to comprehend:

 

published in the US journal mBio

 

Just grunt and click ... if the second part is not beyond you

 

[tobyjugg2]

21 hours ago, king12345 said:

Sorry to reappear after a long pause.

I just wanted to say: "I TOLD YOU!".

Brexit has happened as I predicted and despite all the effort in stopping it.

Now for the next 2 predictions:

1. In 5 years time our economy would've grown faster than any other European country. 

2. In 15 years time the EU in its present form will cease to exist.

 

 

See you later.

 

 

Well, as you are back again, despite your claims (LOL) ...

care to fill in some real detail, you know - like we keep asking?

All your other one-liners have quickly been debunked - by people who do remember the reality of the issues of the past.

 

"2. In 15 years time the EU in its present form will cease to exist."

Obviously - as the UK possibly wont be a part of it and others who aren't yet - will be

 

"1. In 5 years time our economy would've grown faster than any other European country. "

So fill in some meaningful and supported detail driving your expectations?

 

So where is this growth going to come from?

* the magic fairy dust tree?

* Cummings steam punk fantasies seemingly based on reading HG Wells while stoned and thinking they are real?

- or just massively increasing the countries debt mountain (as they said Labour would do) - but to give to their own privateering mates?

-

 

 

.. We will of course again see a temporary boom as companies spend to mitigate the damage of Brexit - many apparently by moving - particularly the financial services and assets that are so much of our 'economy' even if real folk see little from it.

(Like we did with stockpiling before - my what a boom and boon to the country)

 

So come on - Some detail

 

 

(Some one who knows how the new search does or doesn't work here now want to link/quote some of his prior laughable claims on this subject?)

Edited February 2, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[buckthorn]

46 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

 

 

published in the US journal mBio

 

Just grunt and click ... if the second part is not beyond you

 

So what you are saying is that by allowing the US to supply us with food 

we will be introducing listeria and salmonella into our food chain?

[tobyjugg2]

I see the grunt

but no sign that you have clicked yet

[buckthorn]

2 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

I see the grunt

but no sign that you have clicked yet

Why would I want to click after all I would suspect that I know more about this subject

than you ever will.You obviously now nothing which is why you have to put on bits of information 

from other people. 

[tobyjugg2]

4 minutes ago, buckthorn said:

Why would I want to click after all I would suspect

 

 

ROFL

Whats up?

Afraid you might get some facts which contradict your 'suspicions?

 

 

I even found you one published in a US journal LOL:

 

published in the US journal mBio

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 2, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[king12345]

Tobyjugg2, unfortunately most of my posts are censored,  so i can't reply and will go away again as clearly i'm not welcome on this forum.

You seem to talk down to everyone by using cut and paste rubbish and trying to show tha above us all.

What you should look at is FACTS.

First of all is the fact that you were convinced brexit would be stopped, i said it will go ahead.

In case you don't know, Brexit happened, exactly as I told you.

You were wrong but insist in saying that you are right.

I made my 2 predictions and from your answers it is clear that you haven't got a clue about basic economic and financial matters.

I hope you see this post before is censored. 

My advice to you is to anchor your feet to the ground and look out of your window, good luck with your delusion.

[tobyjugg2]

5 minutes ago, king12345 said:

Tobyjugg2,

What you should look at is FACTS.

 

 

 

Want to post some then?

... as repeatedly asked

Edited February 2, 2020 by tobyjugg2