Article 50 Discussion

[honeybee13]

I find that worrying, TJ. Argue with Bojo at your peril, you'll be 'reformed'. It has Demonic Cummings written all over it.

[tobyjugg2]

I find increasing the powers of the executive over the rest of parliament and the law of the land disturbing whoever is in power.

 

WE got rid of Henry VIII and don't want him back in any form.

 

And before the right wings squeels how 'right it is .. imagine those laws implemented, and then a Corbyn gets the prize position.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

That's the thing, isn't it? They might think they're the good guys and won't abuse their powers, but what happens when someone comes along who needs Parliament and the courts to hold them in check?

[tobyjugg2]

Imagine having someone come along who DIDN'T need those checks

 

Ah well fantasy over - back on our heads

 

 

http://www.ahajokes.com/hea14.html

Edited January 7, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Well, looks like Long lost plot Bailey is confirming her complete unsuitability as party leader

 

Jezza was 10 out of 10 as a leader and was the right man to lead the party into the election

His (her) policies must go on with a leader you can trust to carry on the word of Corbyn

 

The only failure was the party not rebutting criticism of the messiah Jezza,

so they need to create a rebuttal unit to attack anyone who criticises him or doesn't see the light around his head.

 

... but shes not the Corbyn continuity candidate

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/07/rebecca-long-bailey-defends-corbyns-legacy-as-she-launches-labour-leadership-bid

 

No wonder she had a lukewarm reception.

 

She;s also undoubtedly got up one of her sponsors (cluckskie) nose by saying immigrant workers dont reduce British wages in contradiction of his statements.

Been there 10 minutes and already thinks she's Mary Magdelene

Least suitable leader material I can think of.

Cooper might not have been acceptable to the loony left, but Bailey is undoubtedly ONLY acceptable to the leftest of the loony left.

Edited January 8, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

whats changed in the withdraw agreement

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/20/brexit-withdrawal-bill-whats-new-and-whats-different?CMP=brexitbriefing_email

 

Henry VIII sticking his ore in solidly in and Parliamentary scrutiny reduced

Edited January 8, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Interesting that Johnson's government has said that American bleached chicken etc wont be allowed in.

 

Wonder if its true or just spin?

 

Perhaps the decision on Huawei  5g hardware will indicate?

 

The EU has told trump we''ll make up our own minds thanks

(without pointing to the backdoors in Cisco's routers (lawful intercept protocol) that have been there forever)

[tobyjugg2]

start with something wry

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Interesting that Steve baker is gobbing off that there will be 'mutual recognition' on goods,

but the briefing going around the EU leaders is that there will be NO mutual recognition 

 

Any UK/EU deal will include a specific cancellation clause should the UK fall below the EU's standards.

 

The independent is running a summary:

Boris Johnson's Brexit trade deal will end frictionless trade, EU says

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-trade-deal-eu-leave-talks-a9282206.html

 

 

 

 

As Bloomberg Economics reports

Brexit cost for UK will soar to $260 billion this year: study

"The UK's December election brought new certainty around Brexit's completion, but the event will grow most expensive in 2020, according to new research from Bloomberg Economics.

The study by UK economist Dan Hanson found Brexit has already cost the nation roughly 130 billion pounds ($170 billion), and estimates Prime Minister Boris Johnson's expedited exit from the EU will add another 70 billion pounds ($91 billion) by the end of 2020."

 

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/brexit-cost-reach-billions-highest-boris-johnson-uk-economic-study-2020-1-1028809389

 

 

Boris' new Bus:

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

"Labour leadership hopeful Jess Phillips has said it would be "embarrassing" if a man won the race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn and suggested frontrunner Sir Keir Starmer should quit the contest.

In an overt dig at her only male rival, Ms Phillips, a prominent backbencher, said men should sometimes "pass the mic" if they truly believe in gender equality."

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jess-philips-man-win-labour-leadership-keir-starmer-a9290556.html

 

 

 

Is that true?

anyone have more detail?

 

If it is even part way true why hasn't that been referred for sexual discrimination?

It should work equally all ways, not just for anyone but males

 

 

[honeybee13]

I don't have any more detail but think that the best person should get the job, whatever their gender.

 

As it happens I think Keir Starmer could be a good leader. As a former prosecutor he could take on Bojo in PMQs, I would hope.

[brassnecked]

Only demerit for Kier Starmer is he ignored the Rotherham rape issues when DPP as Gordon Brown and Jaqui Smith told the police to ignore the rapes and grooming by mainly pakistani heritage men for the sake of Diversity and not to stir up unrest, keep it quiet they said, well iot's all blown up now and calls for them all to be prosecuted for burying it for so long.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-51168522

[fletch70]

My view on this, and it is decidedly un PC, is this- and non of this is based on personal preference (George Clooney as Dr Ross maybe) or  River Song - there's a woman with style.

 

Voters are shallow and will vote for the more attractive option - 

 

Look at Blair - boyish good looks- at least in 1997

 

David Cameron/Nick Clegg  very much the same 

 

Erm May v Corbyn I can't explain and the same goes for BJ v Corbyn although to the stupid I can see that BJ as some sort of buffoonish charm.

 

 

So if it comes to it, we have to have Kier Starmer - some looks and lots of charm

[honeybee13]

I would say that Keir Starmer has intelligence. Maybe he has looks and charm as well.

[brassnecked]

Kier Starmer is the only credible one they can field, jess Phillips comes over as a whiney Wokie, a tick box quota filler.

[honeybee13]

I think Jess has some good points to make but for me she's sounding a bit obsessive or biased.

[tobyjugg2]

5 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

I would say that Keir Starmer has intelligence. Maybe he has looks and charm as well.

 

+1 HB

and the human rights background that undoubtedly isn't important, but should be

 

4 minutes ago, brassnecked said:

Kier Starmer is the only credible one they can field, jess Phillips comes over as a whiney Wokie, a tick box quota filler.

+10

 

2 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

I think Jess has some good points to make but for me she's sounding a bit obsessive or biased.

+1000

 

 

 

 

... Although I do think carry-on-corbyns' flatmate might be a good choice as deputy.

 

 

Edited January 19, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Sajid Javid: no alignment on EU regulations after Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/18/savid-javid-warns-there-will-be-no-alignment-on-eu-regulations-after-brexit

 

He's just confirming what we already knew ...

 

What he has added is that UK businesses are on their own with any as yet largely unknown mechanisms, requirements and processes needed as a result of this latest statement of policy on trade with the EU - and the rest of the world covered by EU trade deals,

... as those businesses have had all this time to become prepared for these largely as yet unknown processes ..

 

 

 

.. in complete disagreement with a 'Senior' Tories' opinion that:

 

* the UK’s best economic place was to remain in the EU and the single market.

* the only thing guaranteed about leaving the bloc was a decade of “stagnation and doubt”.

and

"Just like the Bank of England governor, Mark Carney, and IMF head Christine Lagarde, I still believe that Britain is better off in. And that’s all because of the single market.

“It’s a great invention, one that even Lady Thatcher campaigned enthusiastically to create. The world’s largest economic bloc, it gives every business in Britain access to 500 million customers with no barriers, no tariffs and no local legislation to worry about,”

 

.. and that in the Daily Telegraph too.

 

 

 

Edited January 19, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Some figures courtesy of the waugh zone and labourlist

 

Waugh

* Momentum says it has around 40,000 out of the roughly 500,000 party members in Labour. That’s less than 10%.

* In the controversially worded (‘Yes/No’ for Long-Bailey) ballot of its membership, only 7,000  (of the claimed 40,000) took part.

 

Labourlist

7,395 people – out of around 40,000 Momentum members, who were all eligible to vote – responded to the survey, which consisted of two questions demanding ‘yes’/’no’ answers:

• “Should Momentum follow the NCG recommendation to endorse Rebecca Long-Bailey as the next leader of the Labour Party?”;
• “Should Momentum follow the NCG recommendation to endorse Angela Rayner as the next deputy leader of the Labour Party?”

 

Jon Lansman, who is Long-Bailey’s campaign director – agreed that they would only ballot members on their recommendation rather than offering a full choice of candidates.

- Momentum immediately started promoting her.

 

 

 

Some other figures I believe but haven't further confirmed:

One third of Leave supporting prior labour voters voted other than Labour in the election

One quarter of Remain supporting prior Labour voters voted other than Labour in the election

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

12 hours ago, brassnecked said:

Only demerit for Kier Starmer is he ignored the Rotherham rape issues when DPP as Gordon Brown and Jaqui Smith told the police to ignore the rapes and grooming by mainly pakistani heritage men for the sake of Diversity and not to stir up unrest, keep it quiet they said, well iot's all blown up now and calls for them all to be prosecuted for burying it for so long.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-51168522

 

 

Interesting take on this issue on mumsnet:

 

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/1706851-Keir-Starmer-says-Rape-investigations-undermined-by-belief-that-false-accusations-are-rife

 

" In fact I'm almost tempted to complain to the BBC for perpetuating the exact problem Keir Starmer is talking about. 35 a month works out at about 0.6%. It's absolutely tiny compared to the horrendous figures for rape and domestic violence. And yet that is what the BBC has chosen to focus on. "

 

" The only thing that concerns me, is people who attempt to play down the false allegation issue, because it is so rare. As Keir Starmer says in the BBC article, "it's serious, but rare." "

 

 

????

 

 

 

 

The only overall perspective I have at present is that it is a complex issue which can be and is used to present all sorts of 'stereotypes' and misinformation.

 

 

Are there organised groups of particular groups of males involved (particularly Pakistani and eastern european)?

.. it would seem so, although how much is that particular individual males form a group of people they are associated with .... ?

 

are all the claims from any perspective entirely true ?

.. undoubtedly not

 

Was it right for Starmer to try to make general guidance rules on a difficult to define that way area?

... its the job description.

 

Did Starmer get it more right than wrong?

.. I don't know.

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

June Mummery, a Brexit Party MEP, has just woken up to the fact that leaving Europe gives us less control over fisheries. From her Twitter feed.

 

Attending the penultimate session of the #EuropeanParliament’s #FisheriesCommittee #PECHcommittee) with #BritishMEPs. The big question now is, who will be here to hold these people to account while they still control Britain’s waters, but the UK has no representation?

[honeybee13]

Brillliant reply from Caroline Voaden MEP on Twitter.

 

Who will hold these people to account asks

@june_mummery

? She has also asked if she can come back to attend fisheries com mtgs. Thing is June you wanted to leave. You wanted us to have no voice here, to go it alone. You all crow about your ‘win’. This is what it means. Well done

[tobyjugg2]

the differences between brexiter bull-fantasy and Remain Reality begins to bite

 

add in:

Just a year ago she was saying in the express that Brexit would stop the EU 'stealing' our stocks 'on OUR terms', without mentioning:

 

* the vast majority of our catches are sold to the EU (which she should know as a fish auctioneer profiting from others work)

* the effects tariffs would have

* The vast majority of the fish we eat is imported

* The United Nations stocks agreement

* The migratory nature of the fish (sic)

* Irish and Scot fishing/territorial waters if they become independent

 

and of course she's out of one of her income streams LOL

.. but I assume her fish auction company can still auction UK catches to the EU without change ... for now

 

You can understand how terms like 'mummery' came into use can't you?

Edited January 21, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Hearing of Boris' problems ringing Big Ben, 

Jeremy K. Hunt; in an effort to ingratiate his way back into government; offered his services ....

 

 

 

 

He said he would offer to run the injured parties to hospital, as long as they had medical insurance

 

Edited January 21, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Well jess philips has dropped out, mind you she had a poor showing on the last leg as well the poor hustings and her sexist comments

 

 

and, symbolic but ...

 

The Welsh assembly has voted to withhold consent from the government’s EU (withdrawal agreement) bill. Following the Stormont vote yesterday, and a Scottish parliament vote earlier this month, that means all three devolved assemblies in the UK have rejected the legislation.

However, these votes only have symbolic force and will not stop Johnson implementing Brexit.