Article 50 Discussion

[Jase1982]

9 minutes ago, cjcregg said:

 As a nation we're going to first have to decided whether that is acceptable or not and that alone will be difficult enough to resolve. And that's just one product.

 

Not anymore now that the right have manipulated voters into voting for a conservative dictatorship.

 

All of what you've said is just another worrying aspect of what the future holds 

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, Maharg1 said:

If an Aspirin cost a penny from the US and two pennies from the EU only a fool would buy the EU tablet.

 

and if and Aspirin cost a penny from the EU and two pennies from the US ...

 

 

So @Maharg1

 

tell us one single actual defined benefit from brexit to you personally ?

A real defined, costed one, not some ideological wishful fantasy ...

 

If you would rather insist its 'taking back control' - justify that in relation to WTO rules, USA rules, etc etc and and specifically define the trade deals of course

But still define some real world benefit in your pocket benefit ..

 

 

Its been costed by the bank of England that Brexit has cost 880M a week to the economy so far for starters, far more than the total 'cost' of EU membership over the period, let alone actual cost of market access.

 

 

Perhaps also tell us ANY great deals you Brexiters have which are better than or even equivalent to the great world wide EU deals we have while you are at it.

We know about the sub standard bananas which could be labelled as 'premium' after exit, and some fish (err importing fish - what happened to UK fishermen?)

What else - something significant ...

 

 

Go for it .......

 

[Maharg1]

"tell us one single actual defined benefit from brexit to you personally ?

A real defined, costed one, not some ideological wishful fantasy"

 

It annoys people like you who can't see further than the end of their nose.

 

 

[fletch70]

4 hours ago, Maharg1 said:

Which is what I said.  If the EU plonks 50% tarif on the Uk, we do the same to them so they have more to lose than we do.

But surely it’s relative. There are far more people in the EU so trade per head is different

[honeybee13]

2 minutes ago, Maharg1 said:

"tell us one single actual defined benefit from brexit to you personally ?

A real defined, costed one, not some ideological wishful fantasy"

 

It annoys people like you who can't see further than the end of their nose.

 

 

 

But can you answer the question, Marharg?

[Maharg1]

"But can you answer the question, Marharg?"

 

No just as nobody can.  as it says in  tobyjugg2 signature

Quote OPINIONS unquote

 

Every single so called prediction is just guesswork and like the rest of us you will have to wait and see.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2019 by Maharg1

[Maharg1]

I am so looking forward to the riches of freedom.

[tobyjugg2]

2 minutes ago, Maharg1 said:

I am so looking forward to the riches of freedom.

 

So name some then

 

as already asked

 

 

don't like the bank of Englands figures ...

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/2152153/money-uk-has-lost-brexit-vote-exceeds-eu-budget-payments-study

Edited December 15, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Maharg, perhaps you could help us to understand which type of Brexit Boris Johnson is going for please?

[Maharg1]

What a silly question - he hasn't announced anything to the press or his party so how the hell am I supposed to know.

[honeybee13]

So are you saying that you voted Tory [assuming you did] without knowing what kind of Brexit there would be?

[Maharg1]

There is only one kind of Brexit and that is out.

 

I knew all I needed, that we would be free to make our own laws and not have some foreigner overriding what

our courts say.

I knew that we would be free to make all the trading contracts we wanted and not be told who we could trade

with by Germany.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2019 by Maharg1

[tobyjugg2]

31 minutes ago, Maharg1 said:

we would be free to make our own laws and not have some foreigner overriding whatour courts say.

 

But isn't that what American born Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is planning to do - override the courts and make his executive above the law?

 

 

33 minutes ago, Maharg1 said:

 

I knew that we would be free to make all the trading contracts we wanted

 

 

So hows that going then?

Name some...

[Maharg1]

So he should, An Elected Government runs this country not some biased judge

Edited December 15, 2019 by Maharg1

[tobyjugg2]

So you believe that a temporary PM should be above and beyond the laws of the land?

Have you any knowledge of henry 8th - you know - the dictatorial laws they want to impose?

 

and Still waiting for you to define some of these deals you mention as a driving force..

[Maharg1]

No, an ELECTED pm, elected by the country.

 

I didn't know Henry the 8th, I'm not that old

Edited December 15, 2019 by Maharg1

[tobyjugg2]

but if that PM is not bound by laws, they just change them at will

 

Look up Henry 8th

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

and Still waiting for you to define some of these deals you mention as a driving force..

[Maharg1]

I don't answer to you, your posts show that you already know everything, or think you do.

Edited December 15, 2019 by Maharg1

[tobyjugg2]

So if anything I say is false,  challenge it with simple facts

as i do yours

 

.. if you have any that is ...

Edited December 15, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[Maharg1]

I don't want to challenge what you say, i don't care what you say.

All I will say is Brexit here we come now all you remoaners can get on with your life.

 

No, they are a secret between me and Boris

Edited December 15, 2019 by Maharg1

[tobyjugg2]

 

@Maharg1

So you think Johnson (or Corbyn if he had been elected) should do what they want without any interference with the courts and UK law - effectively absolute dictators.

 

Have no real definition of why you support Brexit other than some long proven false right wing soundbites,

 

and think brexit is great for international trade deals despite not knowing of or about any (another dis-proven right wing soundbite)

 

?

 

So nothing but wind and 'second hand' water really?

 

 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[Maharg1]

Yea, whatever.  Throwing insults won't get you anywhere,

[tobyjugg2]

3 hours ago, Maharg1 said:

I am so looking forward to the riches of freedom.

 

so name some real ones then

 

A real easy start should be those trade deals you recently mentioned as being a driver

 

[honeybee13]

The Guardian/Observer has an interesting article on trade negotiations.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/15/uk-not-match-fit-for-brexit-talks-says-former-may-aide-raoul-ruparel?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0xOTEyMTY%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK