Article 50 Discussion

[London1971]

In other Article 50 news , questions are being asked in parliament about the supply of bog roll in the event of a no deal Brexit. So many benefits to Brexit it seems.

[honeybee13]

I'm not sure what you mean quite, London.

 

Parliament has been silenced for another week and then there are five or six days' debate of the Queen's speech. Unless it's voted down of course.

[London1971]

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-10-08/toilet-paper-manufacturer-voices-concerns-over-no-deal-brexit-supplies/

 

 

[brassnecked]

Can always buy a few useless  misleading newspapers, cut them up and thread them with string like in the alleged good old days of outside privvy, 'tween the wars. Be like Zan Izal all over again.  bit harsh for a snowflakes bottom possibly.

[tobyjugg2]

toilet paper wouldn't be needed

.. as *it would all be hitting the fan ..

Edited October 9, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[London1971]

Ironically it may increase sales of the Mail /Express for Arse Wiping purposes.

[tobyjugg2]

15 minutes ago, brassnecked said:

 Zan Izal all over again

 

That would be the glossy pages from the Sunday versions of the daily rags wouldn't it?

[London1971]

Yuck, coloured ink everywhere

[honeybee13]

I'm all for lightening the tone of the thread, but could we move on from toilet humour please?

I'm a snowflake.

[tobyjugg2]

One last one:

 

We can wash instead of wipe.

All together:

 

Buns that do Brexit can feel soft as your face

With mild green fairy liquid.

[honeybee13]

Please, guys.

[London1971]

This is so fundamentally depressing , humour is needed.

Edited October 9, 2019 by London1971

[brassnecked]

And there was I suggesting addressing a shortage with a tried and tested method from 'oop north, when cash is tight.  Seriously might be used by foodbanks for victims of Universal Credit. We now have a parliament that is well past it's sell by date.

[tobyjugg2]

On a mixed blessing lighter note

 

If i'm reading the signs correctly, which is by no means certain, Cummings may be goings - with a raftload of johnsons blame on his head

 

Why mixed blessing - it will make Johnson more popular in various areas and he'll have a patsy to point the finger at.

Edited October 9, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.globalresearch.ca/brexit-boris-johnson-moves-to-scrap-environment-and-gmo-safeguards-to-get-deal-with-trump/5691400

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/10063334/boris-johnson-level-playing-field-eu-brexit/

 

 

 

When Boris Johnson used his first three speeches as UK Prime Minister to flag up his desire to “liberate” GMOs as part of Brexit, we warned that this meant his priority was doing a trade deal with Donald Trump at any cost. Johnson, we said, was “simply dancing, puppet-like, to Trump’s tune”.

Now a Cabinet source has told the Brexit-supporting Sun newspaper that Johnson is scrapping a commitment by his predecessor, Theresa May, to stick to European Union rules on the environment, safety standards (that would include GMO foods and crops, as well as pesticides) and workers’ rights.

“The level-playing-field promise has to go, and Boris is very clear about this,” the ministerial source told the Sun. “It would seriously restrict our ability to deregulate and to do trade deals with other countries.”

The Independent has reported EU officials as saying,

“British negotiators are particularly keen to jettison EU restrictions on genetically modified foods – a key demand of American trade negotiators.”

One EU official with knowledge of the Brexit talks also told The Independent that

“US trade officials appeared to have been in contact with British negotiators and told them standards would need to be slashed if there was any chance of a US trade deal.”

This has also been the message from US agribusiness, with the head of the American Farm Bureau recently making clear that the UK must accept US food standards as part of any future trade deal with Washington.

[tobyjugg2]

Note that it would put johnsons suggested Canada ++ completely outside any possibility.

 

USA vassalage is largely all that leaves ..

[honeybee13]

Not great, is it TJ? Up until now, Europe have saved us from having to eat GMOs and so on and I would really not like to start.

 

Weird times, I was looking at the headlines yesterday and thinking how unbelievable it is that the PM could be held in contempt of court and that he could be summoned by the GLA [Greater London Authority] over one of three separate enquiries into his behaviour in office.

 

Can anyone remember when a PM was this beset by legal issues?

[honeybee13]

Interesting article in the London Evening Standard yesterday with figures from YouGov.

 

The YouGov analysis for the Evening Standard of 300 surveys shows “concrete” evidence that the country shifted against quitting the European bloc in the year after the June 2016 referendum and has steadfastly stuck to this position ever since.

 

One of the most striking findings is that 204 out of 226 polls since July 2017 have shown Remain ahead, with just seven for Leave, and 15 ties.

 

So far this year, just one poll in the series has put Leave ahead, compared to 74 for staying in the EU. 

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-britain-against-leaving-eu-as-poll-of-polls-says-most-now-want-to-stay-a4257476.html

[brassnecked]

The LSE poll is too narrow as it will only attract its london-centric readers, where Remain was majority, Leave was a North and Wales phenomenon, so its too close to call.  The legal shenanigans are very dangerous Constitutionally, and they are playing with fire.

[honeybee13]

I have to say I didn't go into where the polls were held, but the Standard is talking about the country.

[honeybee13]

From CityAM talking about the same poll.

 

The series includes polls that were conduct across the whole of the UK, as well as polls limited to Great Britain.

 

https://www.cityam.com/britain-would-now-vote-to-stay-in-the-eu-mega-poll-reveals/

[unclebulgaria67]

Polls are not a reliable indicator, as the companies muck around with wording of question and methodology.

 

To be reliable same question and exact method would be required over months. Does not happen!

 

[brassnecked]

UB is correct, which is why Samuel Clements, aka mark Twain, referred to "Lies, damned lies and statistics"  only arbiter will be a general Election.

[Maharg1]

There definitely is no concrete proof in any poll.  If proof of how rubbish and misleading they are, just take the in/out referendum polls.

they all said there would be a massive remain vote and it turned out the exact opposite.

[tobyjugg2]

6 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

From CityAM talking about the same poll.

 

The series includes polls that were conduct across the whole of the UK, as well as polls limited to Great Britain.

 

https://www.cityam.com/britain-would-now-vote-to-stay-in-the-eu-mega-poll-reveals/

 

 

Too true HB and all polls doubts aside, when you consider the ACTUAL votes that have occurred

 

The European elections

- 11 less eurosceptic MEP's wasn't it - A big win despite some smaller gains for Farage

 

Peterborough by-election - 'Brexit heartland'

- Didn't vote in the Brexit Party despite Farage throwing everything at it including a 'celebrity candidate'

 

Brecon and Radnorshire by-election 

- Libdems from the cons

 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2019 by tobyjugg2