Article 50 Discussion

[determindator]

Even then there are still key issues with the EU that will need addressing.

 

 

 

 

This is the little sticking point that doesn't seem to change. Mr C tried all this. Forty years should be pretty much perfect, but it's not and that's why the vote swayed to out.

[Guest]

This is the little sticking point that doesn't seem to change. Mr C tried all this. Forty years should be pretty much perfect, but it's not and that's why the vote swayed to out.

i had thought the vote 'swayed to out' mainly simply re the false immigration/nhs/sovereignty claims? rather than any serious thought re the whole eu system itself.

though yes, maybe more pressure shld have been put on the eu to reconsider its mandate.

[tobyjugg2]

This is the little sticking point that doesn't seem to change. Mr C tried all this. Forty years should be pretty much perfect, but it's not and that's why the vote swayed to out.

 

 

In addition to Fords very salient point, Mr C GOT a deal for the City of Londons International bankers in the 'EU renegotiation' he succeded at what HE was after -

pity he didnt address the issues that concerned the British public.

 

But I do agree its long past time OUR UK politicians addressed the EU issues importation to the UK public as they should have been doing for decades.

Pity that leaving the EU just leaves US with those same politicians....

[silverfox1961]

I would like to know just how many of this country's MP's are career MP's. How many have lived in the 'real' world where lack of money restricts our ability to do the things we want to do.

 

How many went to university to study politics? How many political lecturers have an agenda? How many university's imbue our future leaders with flawed logic?

 

The political elite (whatever that actually means) will do what is best for them and their elitist friends rather than what is in the best interests of the UK.

 

I feel that all discussions regarding the UK's exit should be broadcast in full. People under scrutiny know they have to deal with real matters rather than what they want

[determindator]

Quite SF I feel i'm seeing the people at a tipping point, the coalition result for me was the start. Info travelling fast round the internet and people much more aware of what's going on. People questioning the status quo we've had same ol' same ol' and looking for a better way.

[tobyjugg2]

The political elite (whatever that actually means) will do what is best for them and their elitist friends rather than what is in the best interests of the UK.

 

I feel that all discussions regarding the UK's exit should be broadcast in full. People under scrutiny know they have to deal with real matters rather than what they want[/QUOTE]

 

Absolutely

[tobyjugg2]

REAL INFOWARS

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/us-billionaire-mercer-helped-back-brexit?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=215024&subid=19389892&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

[citizenB]

I would like to know just how many of this country's MP's are career MP's. How many have lived in the 'real' world where lack of money restricts our ability to do the things we want to do.

 

How many went to university to study politics? How many political lecturers have an agenda? How many university's imbue our future leaders with flawed logic?

 

The political elite (whatever that actually means) will do what is best for them and their elitist friends rather than what is in the best interests of the UK.

 

I feel that all discussions regarding the UK's exit should be broadcast in full. People under scrutiny know they have to deal with real matters rather than what they want

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175695/One-seven-MPs-real-job.html

 

^^^ According to this article from 2012, only 1 in 7 have had a 'real' job

 

One in seven MPs have never had a proper job, according to research.

 

And in addition to those who have absolutely no experience of working in the real world, many more have served only brief stints as lobbyists or public relations advisers before entering politics full-time.

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175695/One-seven-MPs-real-job.html#ixzz4Zsw61Blk

 

 

 

This one from 2015 is even more interesting.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11498660/Revealed-how-many-General-Election-candidates-have-had-real-jobs-and-how-many-are-professional-politicians.html

 

According to the House of Commons Library, there has been real growth in professional politicians, people who come to the Commons from a job elsewhere in politics. Some 21 of the MPs elected in 1979 were previously employed in politics, 3.4 per cent of the total.

 

 

By 2010, there were 90 career professionals on the green benches, 15 per cent of the House. The number of professionals (lawyers, doctors, teachers) is also in slow decline, and the number of business people entering politics is more or less stable. So are we in for more of the same?

 

Thanks to UCL's Parliamentary Candidates UK project, we now know the answers about the potential class of 2015. Around one in four (26 per cent) of new candidates contesting the 2015 general election are political professionals currently working as advisers, researchers, party officials, trade unionists or lobbyists.

 

 

The Scottish National Party has by far and way the highest proportion of party insiders standing for Parliament (47 per cent, with Labour and Plaid Cymru following behind (33 per cent). The party with the smallest proportion of candidates from an "instrumental" (i.e. political insider) background is Ukip, at just 20 per cent, as befitting their image as the "People's Army" standing against the "establishment".

[citizenB]

There are some really interesting statistics in the Telegraph article.

[citizenB]

And this YouGov article

 

 

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/07/24/public-want-more-mps-factory-fewer-courtroom/

 

Going back to 1979, Nuffield election studies show no less than one in ten MPs from the three main parties have been barristers or solicitors, and the percentage of MPs that had been publishers or journalists has never fallen below 6%. Over the same period, the percentage of MPs who had occupations as manual workers – such as miners – has decreased steadily from 15.8% 35 years ago to just 4% today.

 

 

 

A new YouGov survey suggests voters would prefer if that trend were reversed. 57% want more factory workers elected to Parliament; 61% want more doctors (who made up only 1.4% of main-party MPs as of 2010) and 57% want more scientists.

 

 

Majorities also want more economists (54%) and teachers (52%). By contrast, a minority want more police officers (46%), social workers (44%) and military officers (41%) elected to Parliament. The public actually tend to prefer if there were fewer lawyers (46% fewer to 24% more) and reporters (48% fewer to 18% more) filling Westminster, making those the least popular occupations on the list.

 

Voters of different political stripes do especially like certain occupations when it comes to future MPs. The most favoured groups among Conservative voters are doctors (64% want "more") and economists (65%); among Labour voters they are doctors (71%) and factory workers (72%). Lib Dems are most likely to want more teachers (62%) and scientists (63%), while UKIP voters want more factory workers (62%).

 

[tobyjugg2]

and here is the heir of slitherin himself Sir John Major telling it like it is

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/27/sir-john-major-warns-theresa-may-hard-brexit-could-mean-cuts/

 

No real trade deals to replace what we have,

The UK a Tax haven, with the rich paying nothing (definition of a tax haven)

With Employers getting the cheapest goods and Labour they can

- hence wages fall

- hence taxation income falls (especially as the rich wont be paying any)

- hence tax for the 'workers' will increase as funding for services including the NHS is ditched (unless you call 20-25% year on year reductions anything other than ditched)

 

The rich get LOTS richer and EVERYONE else will get LOTS poorer

That IS the future.

 

But dont worry - MP's pay will be safeguarded.

 

and before anyone squeals about has been politicians

Blair

Major

Heseltein

et al

 

You really dont know what you had until you've got edit as replacements do you

 

 

This is LOOOONG overdue now

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/labour-tory-mps-talk

[tobyjugg2]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-john-major-theresa-may-misleading-british-people-a7602651.html

[Guest]

yep

one of the flower pots has been 'praised' '...for admitting immigration would not go down after the UK leaves the bloc..'.

so, thats at least 2 big fundamental lies publicly admitted by the flower pots and their pals bert and ernie.

[tobyjugg2]

UKIP parliamentary party unanimous in thinking Farage only due peerage for 'services to headline writers'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/28/nigel-farage-calls-for-douglas-carswell-to-be-expelled-from-ukip

 

Farage apparently furious that Party not all hands to the oars to get him (Farage) a peerage since his US ambassador attempts fell as flat as his attempts to become a UK MP.

 

Nuttall (another failed MP wannabe leader of UKIP) is reported to have stated he is fully behind drive to get Farage peerage (but he's probably still just lying).

 

[tobyjugg2]

and with Eire lining up a reunification play within the EU

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ireland-idUKKBN16223Q?il=0

 

He reiterated Dublin's call for the Brexit treaty between the EU and Britain to spell out that Northern Ireland would join the European Union again immediately if it chooses in a referendum to unite with Ireland under the provisions of the 1998 peace agreement. That, he said, would follow the example of the EU's absorption of East Germany on reunification in 1990.

 

 

and Sturgeon lining up Scotland, particularly as the EU agreeing the above with Eire strengthens Scotlands call for automatic membership of the EU

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-scotland-idUKKBN1670N7

 

The UK is looking closer to becoming the Kingdom of England and Wales. and from there:

The Tax haven of London and its dominions ...

[tobyjugg2]

and exodus of fintec startup companies begins

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/25/brexit-fintech-exodus-begins-london-eu-luxembourg?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Brexit+briefing+2016&utm_term=215268&subid=19389892&CMP=ema-3239

[tobyjugg2]

UKIP parliamentary party unanimous in thinking Farage only due peerage for 'services to headline writers'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/28/nigel-farage-calls-for-douglas-carswell-to-be-expelled-from-ukip

 

Farage apparently furious that Party not all hands to the oars to get him (Farage) a peerage since his US ambassador attempts fell as flat as his attempts to become a UK MP.

 

Nuttall (another failed MP wannabe leader of UKIP) is reported to have stated he is fully behind drive to get Farage peerage (but he's probably still just lying).

 

 

 

Well,

it would seem Farage might already have been awarded a knight hood

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-kkk-david-duke_uk_58b5838ce4b060480e0be3d9?utm_hp_ref=uk

 

Wonder if its the order of the grande Tit.ans he's been awarded?

Surely it cant be the order of the grande cycleopses, he cant ride one can he?

and he was never on dragons den, so cant be that one.

 

Must be a Tit.ans

[Guest]

'Farage recently dined with Trump or at least that’s what he wanted people to believe.'

[tobyjugg2]

'Farage recently dined with Trump or at least that’s what he wanted people to believe.'

 

Trump apparently did invite David Duke, but later claimed it was only because he thought they said Daisy Duke.

 

[snowdragon]

The House of Lords is set to give the Government its first defeat on the Article 50 Brexit bill on the issue of protecting the rights of EU nationals.

 

In a rare move, a vote will be pushed in the current Committee stage of the Article 50 bill, this afternoon.

 

http://tinyurl.com/hna7nw7

Edited March 1, 2017 by silverfox1961
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[Guest]

'A summit of European leaders in Rome later this month will mark the “birth” of a new European Union (EU) that does not include Britain, Jean-Claude Juncker has said. The European Commission President’s comments came as he launched a white paper setting out options for the future of a UK-less EU...'

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jean-claude-juncker-brexit-lates-birth-new-eu-european-commission-president-uk-departure-a7606151.html

 

what are those 'white paper' 'options', in sum:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/01/revealed-jean-claude-junckers-five-scenarios-future-europe/

[tobyjugg2]

'A summit of European leaders in Rome later this month will mark the “birth” of a new European Union (EU) that does not include Britain, Jean-Claude Juncker has said. The European Commission President’s comments came as he launched a white paper setting out options for the future of a UK-less EU...'

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jean-claude-juncker-brexit-lates-birth-new-eu-european-commission-president-uk-departure-a7606151.html

 

what are those 'white paper' 'options', in sum:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/01/revealed-jean-claude-junckers-five-scenarios-future-europe/

 

 

http://united-europe-news.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/eu-commission-presntation-of-white.html

[Guest]

it would seem Farage might already have been awarded a knight hood

Bert, or is it Ernie, does get its 'knighthood'. which in doing so acknowledges that it 'hates foreigners'. how fitting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/03/nigel-farage-receives-honorary-knighthood-live-tv/

[tobyjugg2]

What to look forward too in post Brexit tax haven UK

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/05/the-oil-deal-the-disgraced-minister-and-800m-paid-via-a-uk-bank

 

'Who cares about foreigners as long as the UK gets paid for it' some might say

... Well look back in the thread for the UK tax that JP Morgan pays to the UK (other than perhaps corrupt ministers and regulators) in Tax each year on their Billions of profit from promoting and enabling these deals bypassing traps to prevent them.

(I'm sure you can guess)

 

 

 

but dont worry, I'm sure the politicians will have something on you to keep you quiet if you aren't simply easily manipulable

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/04/cambridge-analytics-data-brexit-trump

 

If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't worry - say those using your private information.

 

 

and here where we would at least get some tax from foreigners hiding money here

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/05/rich-pay-up-to-keep-property-ownership-secret

 

"The government introduced a special annual tax on homes owned via “non-natural persons” such as offshore companies in 2013, to crack down on “dirty money” used to secretly buy up luxury homes. But figures from HM Revenue and Customs show owners of mega-mansions are choosing to pay the annual tax rather than register their London properties under their real names. "

[unclebulgaria67]

I think there are some very sinister wealthy people who manipulated the Brexit vote and who are still trying to influence what happens. There is an article in todays Observer about how private data from Facebook was used during the Brexit campaign.

 

Once it becomes clearer what Brexit would mean for most ordinary people, i think you will see massive protests in cites across the UK and government will be forced to think again.