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Yet more evidence of bad behaviour by Corbyn.

 

http://news.sky.com/story/labour-mp-corbyn-tried-to-bully-me-10509144

 

Corbyn comes across on TV as a nice old principled socialist who cares about people, but increasingly the evidence suggests that there is another side to his character.

 

And there was another recent incident, when a female journalist was asking Corbyn about when he was going to resign and he had to be held back by his support team. It looked like he was just about to turn around and engage in an angry confrontation.

 

Go back a few months ago and i thought Corbyn was a decent man with some good ideas, but now i think that he is no good for Labour or the country.

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TBH he makes his brother Piers look like the sane one of the family. He will win the popular vote amongst the labour party £3 supporters and by sheer numbers they will carry the day. The real bad news is come the next election labour will lose massively and instead of using a bit of reasoning to work out why the Broadmoor wing of the party will belive that what they need is more of their type of socialism rather than consensus politics to get into power. Jeremy wont try and dissuade them because that is not his method and he wants the job despite being rubbish at it and badly showing off his lack of experiance in cabinet politics. Still, when another 5 years have passed he will be too old to be electable for many voters and so the problems with labour we are now seeing will become even more irrelevant.

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TBH he makes his brother Piers look like the sane one of the family. He will win the popular vote amongst the labour party £3 supporters and by sheer numbers they will carry the day. The real bad news is come the next election labour will lose massively and instead of using a bit of reasoning to work out why the Broadmoor wing of the party will belive that what they need is more of their type of socialism rather than consensus politics to get into power. Jeremy wont try and dissuade them because that is not his method and he wants the job despite being rubbish at it and badly showing off his lack of experiance in cabinet politics. Still, when another 5 years have passed he will be too old to be electable for many voters and so the problems with labour we are now seeing will become even more irrelevant.

 

 

I thought it was now £25.00 to join in order to have a vote ?

 

 

Seems £3.00 made it accessible to the "wrong kind of thug" ?

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Yes it is £25 to join/vote i believe.

 

The problem for Corbyn is that he has attracted people who don't like politicians and don't like any form of establishment. They are being encouraged by Corbyn and other militant socialists into rebel actions. Corbyn only attends meetings around the country with people who agree with him. If anyone questions him in a negative way, they get shouted down or worse.

 

I have long thought that there should be a new party of people who are centre ground politics wise and decide policies based on evidence. If Corbyn wins again, i suspect Labour will split, with most MP's and some unions going on to form a new party, possibly with the Lib Dems.

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Well written article, Uncle B.

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'A legal challenge to Jeremy Corbyn's right to automatically stand in the Labour leadership contest is being heard at the High Court in London. Donor and former candidate Michael Foster is contesting Labour's decision to allow Mr Corbyn on to the ballot paper without having to secure nominations from 50 other MPs and MEPs. Labour's National Executive Committee backed the move by 18 to 14 votes....'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36886159

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'A judge has rejected a challenge to Labour's decision to allow Jeremy Corbyn to automatically stand for re-election as leader. ..Labour donor and ex-parliamentary candidate Michael Foster was challenging Mr Corbyn's inclusion without having to get MPs' nominations.

Mr Corbyn called the court case a "waste of time and resources"

Mr Foster said he would not be challenging the decision: "We wanted the courts to adjudicate... they have."

It means the leadership contest - between Mr Corbyn and challenger Owen Smith, a former work and pensions spokesman - will continue as planned, with the outcome due on 24 September...'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36909862

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Labour rebels plan to elect own leader and create ‘alternative’ group if Jeremy Corbyn is re-elected.

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/labour-rebels-plan-to-elect-own-leader-and-create-alternative-gr/

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re the report above

 

'Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has called for the party's MPs to "think again" after reports that some are planning a "semi-split" of the party. The Daily Telegraph says a group of senior Labour MPs are looking at plans to set up an "alternative Labour" if Mr Corbyn stays on as leader. But Mr Corbyn said there was "no alternative... we are Labour", and the party should unite to fight the Tories. Challenger Owen Smith said Labour was "on the edge of the precipice".....Asked about the reports, Mr Corbyn, who was holding rallies in Hull and Leeds on Saturday, said: "Sorry, this is nonsense, whoever is saying my leadership is leading to a break-up of the party?'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36933590

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I am hoping for a Labour split, as i want to see the SDP again. Britain needs a new left of centre party that appeals to moderate voters who would never vote for any politician who is judged too right wing or too left wing. I would hope the Lib Dems join them and possibly a few Tory MP's. They just need a few rich donors to get them started.

 

Corbyn might appeal to a few million Socialists around the country, but he could never win 12 million + votes across the country to win an electiion. Labour would need to win about 10 million to stop a Tory majority. If the election is in May 2020 under new boundaries and fewer seats which disadvatages Labour, then Labour led by Corbyn would be hammered.

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I mysellf can see the labour party going the same way as the SDP

 

I cannot understand this constant negativity towards Corbyn, especially from the media such as the BBC. Every other word is corbyn this, corbyn that., yet the Conservatives are facing criminal prosecutions for election fraud.

 

At the end of the day if a leader is elected by the membership then that has to be respected. If that leader then fracks up you get another leader but at least give the man a chance. The current Blairites have lost the previous two General Elections. The establishment seem terrified of him that people might actually vote to end this current Status Quo.

 

My own labour membership card was returned after the First Gulf War but if he is elected which is now an almost certainty, i will be applying for membership again and i am no socialist, or Blairite

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I think you need to research Corbyn before you join his red team.

 

I like some of the economic ideas of McDonnell, but when you look at some of the dangerous international policies, it makes me a little worried. Quite likely Favouring united Ireland policy and possibly stiring up Northern Irish politics into the more troubled times of the past. Dealing with middle eastern and other terrorist groups, by understanding their pain etc.

 

Not sure i would be happy to see Corbyn in charge of national security. And going into any election the print media would be printing so many stories and pictures that make even many Labour voters worried.

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Has Corbyn been captured by people who have motives for him retaining the Labour leadership ? This link makes interesting reading.

 

http://www.labourbristol.org/

 

If the Labour party is being taken over by people who really have no interest in helping Labour win elections, then i would hope that those people who can stop it do something about it. Tom Watson has already voiced his concern about some who are backing Corbyn.

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The question on the GMB ballot paper was:

 

Who do you think is best placed to lead the Labour party to a general election victory and serve as prime minister?

 

Who said Corbyn will be leader by the next general election??

 

The ballot question was twisted and loaded that the labour party members in the GMB voted on. The GMB has 670,000 members but only 30,000 eligible labour voters which 60% voted Smith and not Corbyn. The GMB also did not ballot their Scottish members

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appeal decision due

the decision was in, in favour of the ban

'Labour was within its rights to stop new members voting in its leadership contest between Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith, the Court of Appeal has ruled....'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37057589

 

obviously, Corby etc not happy

'But a spokesperson for Mr Corbyn's re-election campaign said: "We think that this is the wrong decision - both legally and democratically...'

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Nobody can sensibly support Corbyns agenda to take Labour politics back to the early 1980's. Many of Corbyns supporters are the Socialist Workers party and Militant tendency. They run a lot of protests trying to motivate students to follow their cause. They are not interested in winning general elections to be in government.

 

If Corbyns wins again, i think most Labour MP's will have nothing to do with Corbyns small clique in parliament. They will trigger another leaders contest at some point with a better candidate than Smith.

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How can the labour leadership take policy back to the 1980s??. Such decisions are made by the Labour Party NEC and by debates at National conference by CLP Delegates??

 

Corbyn is not a one man Demagogue like Farage as has to answer to the party executive

 

I gave up my labour party membership after the 1st Gulf war so am no labour supporter, but there is a lot of Misinformation being spread. This is now the 21st century, not the 1970s

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How can the labour leadership take policy back to the 1980s??. Such decisions are made by the Labour Party NEC and by debates at National conference by CLP Delegates??

 

Corbyn is not a one man Demagogue like Farage as has to answer to the party executive

 

I gave up my labour party membership after the 1st Gulf war so am no labour supporter, but there is a lot of Misinformation being spread. This is now the 21st century, not the 1970s

 

Do some reading on what people are finding around the country. Momentum are an interesting bunch of people who have infiltrated local parties and are trying to increase the number of people who believe in taking Labour politics back to where it was in the early 80's. They believe in state ownership of services at any cost.

 

I don't mind parties engaging in normal discussions on policies and coming to democratic decisions, but there are reports of increasing levels of threatening behavior, where moderate Labour people are being intimidated out of the party. You may remember the letter from a large number of female Labour MP's to Corbyn telling Corbyn what was happening.

 

Labour under Corbyn or any other on the far left are not electable and will mean Tory landslides. It would be a repeat of the Thatcher/Major period, where public services are downgraded or sold off and many rights are removed. Labour can't do anything as a protest movement and need numbers in Parliament to be able to block Tory policies.

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