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    • OK, I will do now.   I did look to black out certain things, but I was not sure what I should and should not redact and there was nothing on there that was personal enough for me to be concerned with being made public. So I am happy for all to view, but if you are kind enough to redact what is needed as per the forum rules, that would be amazing. Armtrak Defence documents_compressed.pdf   I was planning on collecting up other court cases they have lost, to refer to as part of my evidence, I'm not sure if this is worth doing or could just confuse matters?   But there seem to be many where the judge has ruled against them because of confusing and not clearly displayed signage, trespass, as well as their charge being £100, which is more than the Bevis case said was reasonable.    A quick search found this article as one example KBT cornwall lose case article.pdf   Lastly, I will go to the site to get updated images, but from google earth, you can see from the pictures the entrance states it is for the hotel parking, which I follwed instructions and gave my details to the hotel. Where I think my car was parked (it was that long ago I'm not exactly sure) there are signs on the opposite wall, but it was 12.30am, pitch black and they could not be seen.          
    • yes but have the landowner paid this years contract fee. no evidence they have in the ws. pop it back up now if you wish. the forum is quiet i'll redact it for you so we have the info.   dx  
    • Thank you all so much for taking the time to comment and help, I really do appreciate it.   Just to elaborate a bit more on the background, just because my lack of knowledge of the process might mean I've actually done things along the way that I did not know what they were and so hadn't mention it.    When they decided to go to court, I was offered mediation, which I took. I offered to pay the reduced rate, just to make it go away, but insisted it was not an admission of guilt, it was a goodwill gesture to save us all the effort of court. They refused and wanted £250.    A court date was set, but in Leeds, then a couple weeks later I received another letter saying it had been moved to London.   I was not aware I had any say in which court it would be held at, but I now understand i have good reason to request it is moved to a local one to me, which is also local to the offending place, I will call the court tomorrow and explain that. But so far I have only been told what is happening, I've not been given the choice for anything.   They seem to be going down the route of a contract breach, not trespass which is interesting. There is a document in the evidence which has the agreement between themselves which I assumed meant they can pursue me.    I am going to visit the site again shortly, at midnight the time of the offence and take pictures to build a case file of the route I took to enter the car park, how it is in the hotel grounds and no signs can be seen.    Am I right in saying, the fact they do not actually have any pictures of my car in the location they say it was in, just because all of the pictures they have were at 12/30am and it was pitch black, I am going to say my car was parked correctly in the hotel side, not on their land and it is then up to them to prove otherwise, which they are not able to do, because the burden of proof lies with the claimant I think?
    • did you move during the duration of this agreement.   dx  
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Hi,

 

New here, would appreciate a good advice!

 

Received a 'CHARGE NOTICE' from something called CP PLUS limited.

The letter states there are BPA member and the postal address is PO BOX 3573, Barnet, EN5 9QA

 

They sent a photo of me going in and out the private car park (that's heston west services to do with costa, travelodge, etc.).

They say I overstayed by 50 minutes.

They provide a photo of the sign saying that parking charges apply after 2 hours, how to pay post 2 hours and that camera enforcement is in operation.

 

Few questions:

 

1) Along with phone (03339390104) and address, they also provide a link to appeal:

APPEALPCN.CO.UK

This looks VERY dodgy, and besides it is an unsecure form.

Is this legit at all?

 

2) I can't see their company website address anywhere, is that normal?

Searching cp plus online doesn't give much info either.

[problem]?

 

3) They demand £100 to be reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days. Is that a reasonable charge at all?

 

Any advice?

 

Many thanks

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Wait for others to advise you first.

 

However DO NOTHING yet.

 

Can you scan and post up the begging letter they sent you, ENSURE you remove ALL identifiers first.

 

When did you park here?

 

When did they send you this letter?

 

Is it addressed to the registered keeper, or marked Notice To Keeper?


Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Bazooka Boo: thanks, attaching the scans!

 

Received a week after parking.

 

Says 'issued to'.

 

dx100uk: thanks, looks like those links are quote old though and this company quotes parking eye v Beavis.

 

IN ADDITION: I only stopped there because there was a huge traffic accident on M4 blocking EVERYTHING and actually there were 2-3 hour queues, almost standing and nowhere else to go/park. So I managed to slip into these services and moved away only after the situation has been resolved on M4. I had no choice really!

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bevis means nothing .

simply willy waving it applies

it doesn't.


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Usual garbage from CP plus.


Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Any suggestion how to fight them off?

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Sit tight and wait for the regulars. Theres no rush at all.


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read the threads in post 3

 

 

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the demand is not compliant with the PoFA to create keeper liability as it fails to say who the creditor is.

 

 

I would also bet that if the signage at the site is the same as the letter

then there is no contract as the signage has inadequate terms to form one.

 

A short letter saying that "the signage you refer to is inadequate to form a contract

and you have failed to create a keeper liability under the PoFA 2012 by way of your current actions.

Desist from further communication as this will be construed as harassment and dealt with accordingly".

 

No need to be overtly polite and dont add to this by way of explanation about the event

or anything about who was driving at the time.

 

 

If they respond they must offer you the chance of appealing to an "independent" assessor.

Failure to do that kills any chance of a future legal claim.

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ericsbrother, thanks! i'll try and post the results here.

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Just received another letter demanding to pay the full amount since 14 days discount has been passed. They haven't responded to my appeal at all. What to do?

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nothing await the appeal reply


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dx100uk: I've sent the wording ericsbrother kindly provided. Do you think that counts as an 'appeal'? Are they obliged by law to respond to any correspondence in regards to the PCN?

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They won't 'respond' by Law or anything, as they are morally bankrupt and they don't even abide by the Law themselves.

 

They are simply hoping and preying that you will cough up so they can continue their unlawful demands on other innocent motorists.


Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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So why don't we actually do referendums on really useful things: looks like there is a lot of unclear and messy stuff in motoring alone. Someone should be responsible for this mess.

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The government allows them to self regulate. Remember, these are the cowboy clampers. Same people different tactics. And it took them YEARS to shut them down.


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SUCCESS!!! Thank you!!

 

 

OUTGOING:

 

"The signage you refer to is inadequate to form a contract and you have failed to create a keeper liability under the PoFA 2012 by way of your current actions.

 

In addition, the online resource offered as the first contact represents a major violation of the Data Protection Act also since communication is not encrypted and thus personal information could be intercepted and stolen by third parties.

 

Desist from further communication as this will be construed as harassment and dealt with accordingly."

 

INCOMING:

 

"Thank you for your correspondence concerning the above stated PCN.

 

In light of your claims, the representations stated in your appeal have been noted and upheld.

 

We can confirm this Notice has been cancelled in full and no further action will take place on this occasion."

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well done

 

 

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I reckon CP Plus have realised that if someone gives a knowledgeable response they know they will get nowhere with their threatening letters and are now cutting their losses and backing off. Good result.

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