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Campaigners bring test case against “chilling” protest injunctions

Some of the most extensive restrictions:ballchain: on anti-fracking protests are to be challenged at the Court of Appeal tomorrow morning (5 March 2019).

 

Three senior judges will begin considering cases brought by two campaigners against injunctions granted to Ineos :rant:Upstream, the country’s biggest shale gas licence holder.

The hearing is being seen as a test case over restrictions on protests.

Joe Corre and Joe Boyd first went to court in September 2017 to challenge the injunctions granted at a private hearing five weeks earlier.

Mr Justice Morgan dismissed their case at the commercial section of the High Court in November 2017. He also later refused their application to appeal.

But in May 2018, Lady Justice Asplin, allowed them to pursue their cases at the Court of Appeal.

Appeal grounds

Mr Boyd was successful on three of his six grounds for appeal:

  • Human Rights Act aspects of the case
  • Injunction on protests against the supply chain
  • Use of the injunction against “persons unknown”

Lady Justice Asplin said: “there is a real prospect of success” on the three grounds.

https://drillordrop.com/2019/03/04/campaigners-bring-test-case-against-chilling-protest-injunctions/

Fracking the World: Despite Climate Risks, Fracking Is Going Global

The U.S. exported a record 3.6 million barrels per day of oil in February. This oil is the result of the American fracking boom — and as a report from Oil Change International recently noted — its continued growth is undermining global efforts to limit climate change. The Energy Information Administration predicts U.S. oil production will increase again in 2019 to record levels, largely driven by fracking in the Permian shale in Texas and New Mexico.

And the U.S. is not alone in trying to maximize oil and gas production. Despite the financial failures of the U.S. fracking industry, international efforts to duplicate the American fracking story are ramping up across the globe. 

https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/03/04/global-fracking-expansion-oil-gas-climate-risks

 

 

 

 

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Ineos protest injunction unlawfully breaches human rights, appeal court told


The injunction against anti-fracking protests granted to Ineos is already breaching rights to freedom of speech, the court of appeal heard today.

A challenge, brought by fashion designer Joe Corre and campaigner Joe Boyd, argued that the injunction against actions at Ineos sites and premises was “wide-ranging, unclear, unfair and based on exaggeration and untested evidence”.
Heather Williams QC, barrister for Mr Boyd, said:

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“It is having an impermissible and severe chilling effect on the right to free speech and to protest. It is an unlawful interference with those rights.”


Drill Or Drop report of the case.
Much more on the link.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/03/05/ineos-protest-injunction-unlawfully-breaches-human-rights-appeal-court-told/

 

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Picture post: Westminster anti-fracking rally 5th March 2019


Anti–fracking campaigners from the East Midlands and South Yorkshire took their message to Westminster today.

A rally, organised by Bolsover Against Fracking, at Parliament Square heard from the town’s MP, Dennis Skinner and Labour’s energy spokesperson, Rebecca Long Bailey.


James Eaden, Chesterfield TUC

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“Our struggle is for climate justice, it’s for defending our local communities. We act locally whether we are in Marsh Lane, whether we are in Misson, whether we are in any of the other local areas which are affected by climate catastrophe. We campaign nationally to persuade the politicians here that we don’t want any fracking in our communities.

David Kesteven, chair Eckington against Fracking

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“What’s happening at Marsh Lane with Ineos, the biggest bruisers on the park.”

“The Tory council are on our side and they are fighting it. Ineos have got to get these conditions, they’ve got to get a traffic plan and a noise plan past the committee which are against them. They’ve done absolutely nothing.
“He is not going to go onto Marsh Lane”

 

Dennis May, campaigner from Nottinghamshire

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“We are going to put Greg Clark and James Brokenshire on notice that we are fed up with having our intelligence and our integrity insulted with a constant stream of imbecilic and patronising crap coming from the likes of Jim Radcliffe, coming from the likes of Natascha Engel and Francis Egan at Cuadrilla.

Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy

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“Let me be clear. Labour will ban fracking.

We don’t agree that local democracy should be overturned and the local authority’s vote against fracking sites in their area as the voice of the people should be ignored.

 

Eddie Thornton, campaigner, Yorkshire-T
He of the first lock on at PNR if i remember correctly.Nothing like seeing the Yorkshire folk walking down to the Cuadrilla Site a day i will not forget.So what did Eddie say.

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“Our government calls me a domestic extremist. I’ve been arrested eight times, and I’ve had my phone confiscated for nine months. I’ve been told I’m on a watch list with Al-Qaeeda and the National Front.

“I’m not part of a violent or banned organisation. I’ve never threatened anyone any harm.   My only crime is that I dared to make a stand with my community against the government’s plans to force fracking upon us [at Kirby Misperton].

“Their heavy-handed response to our peaceful movement shows me just how strong we are when we are united and how much they fear that power.”

 

Much more on the link.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/03/05/picture-post-westminster-anti-fracking-rally/

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News updates Day 11: IGas Ellesmere Port inquiry
This post has news updates from the eleventh day of the inquiry into IGas plans to test its well at Ellesmere Port in Cheshire.

robert-griffiths-150x150Cheshire West and Chester Council’s barrister, Robert Griffiths QC (left) made his closing statement at today’s session. IGas is expected to make its closing statement tomorrow (6 March 2019). You can catch up on news from other sessions of the inquiry here.
https://drillordrop.com/ellesmere-port-inquiry-january-2019/

News updates Day 11: IGas Ellesmere Port inquiry
https://drillordrop.com/2019/03/05/news-updates-day-11-igas-ellesmere-port-inquiry/

That is it for myself for today,enjoy whatever you are up to today.
I am busy making two Driftwood Herons,Henry and Hendrietta and a Driftwood Snake called Slithering Jim.
In between  decorating the hall landing and stairs.
Great working from home but so many interuptions. I knew you all wanted to know what i was up to.
Be careful out there the likes of Ineos,the plastic production kings are trying to break free and roam unchallenged throughout England.
Up the protectors and communities of England see these infiltrators off Englands green and pleasant lands.

Bye for now.

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Good morninggggg:yo:whats going down,lets check it out.

Fracking: Government guidance 'unlawful' rules High Court :(


Ministers have been advising councils that gas from fracking in their area would help combat climate change.

But a judge found that the government had failed to consider the latest evidence.

Justice Dove ruled that "material from Talk Fracking, and in particular their scientific evidence as described in their consultation response, was never in fact considered relevant or taken into account" when formulating the revised policy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47472732

 

 

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Campaigners win court challenge over government support for fracking :cheer2:


The campaign group, Talk Fracking, has won its challenge against government support in planning policy for fracking.

A High Court judge, Mr Justice Dove, allowed a judicial review in a case over the climate impacts of shale gas developments.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/03/06/breaking-campaigners-win-court-challenge-over-government-support-for-fracking/

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Key elements of the government’s policy on fracking have been declared unlawful by the High Court.

Ministers had failed to consider the latest evidence concerning the technique’s “low carbon” credentials, campaign group Talk Fracking argued.  

The judge agreed the climate impact of shale gas extraction had been overlooked and described

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government policy as “flawed in its design and processes”.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fracking-policy-high-court-ruling-government-unlawful-housing-energy-a8810101.html

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Judgement reserved in challenge to Ineos fracking protest injunction


Three law lords have reserved their decision in an appeal against the protest injunction granted to the fracking company, Ineos.

Lord Justice Andrew Longmore described the challenge brought by two anti-fracking campaigners as “not an entirely easy case”. He said a written judgement would be handed down but gave no indication of when this would be.

The one-and-a-half day case at the Royal Courts of Justice in London this week had hear from legal teams for the fashion designer, Joe Corre, and campaigner, Joe Boyd.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/03/06/judgement-reserved-in-challenge-to-ineos-fracking-protest-injunction/

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Cuadrilla’s air monitoring equipment malfunctioned during fracking methane surge:flame::flame::fear::painkiller:


On the day it released a significant amount of the powerful greenhouse gas methane into the atmosphere, UK fracking firm Cuadrilla’s air monitoring equipment suddenly stopped working.
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/06/cuadrilla-fracking-methane-monitoring/

Think many are seeing what these  Fracking Companies are like:spider:

And their powerful friends who are slipping away slowly.

But so much money will be lost by many,just the way it goes.

Gone for now.

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Latest news from Drill Or Drop.

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Confidential records reveal limitations of Cuadrilla’s Lancashire fracking operation


Two-thirds of the UK’s first horizontal shale gas well was not fracked during a nine-week operation last autumn, according to reports that the company, Cuadrilla, tried to keep secret.

The documents reveal that the Preston New Road site near Blackpool experienced mechanical problems and lost equipment.

They show that quantities of frack fluid used in the operation were too low to qualify for the legal definition of associated hydraulic fracturing. They also confirm for the first time that a majority of earth tremors around the site were on days when fracking was carried out.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/04/01/confidential-records-reveal-limitations-of-cuadrillas-lancashire-fracking-operation/

 

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Fracking earthquake rules should be extended to other onshore oil and gas operations, MPs told


The risk of earthquakes from well operations such as acidisation, water reinjection and pressure release should be controlled in the same way as fracking, a parliamentary meeting heard today.


MPs and peers were hearing evidence on whether the rules on fracking-induced seismic activity should be changed. The industry has been calling for a relaxation of the traffic light system after Cuadrilla’s Lancashire fracking operation induced more than 50 earth tremors last autumn.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/04/02/fracking-earthquake-rules-should-be-extended-to-other-onshore-oil-and-gas-operations-mps-told/

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Picture post: Arrests over “fossil fools” day protest at IGas Misson site

Two anti-fracking campaigners locked themselves together outside the IGas site at Springs Road in north Nottinghamshire.

They said the action was designed to disrupt operations at the shale gas site, near the village of Misson, where horizontal drilling is expected to start soon.


The protest is part of a “Fossil Fools” street party, organised by the campaign group FrAcktion, to mark April Fools day.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/04/01/picture-post-arrests-over-fossil-fools-day-protest-at-igas-misson-site/

 

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April 2019 drilling headlines

Events diary - April 2019 and beyond
Seminar on next steps for unconventional oil and gas in the UK
Ruling in appeal against Ineos injunction
Parliamentary meeting on seismicity regulations
UKOG and Union Jack annual general meetings
Fossil fools day street party
Groundswell climate change event
Fundraisers
Campaign planning
https://drillordrop.com/2019/04/01/events-diary-april-2019-and-beyond/

 

Other news from here and there.

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Jim Ratcliffe: calls for fossil fuel sponsorship ban as petrochemical billionaire adopts cycling’s Team Sky The richest Briton is sinking millions into sporting ventures bearing the name of his Ineos conglomerate


Sir Jim Ratcliffe, founder of British petrochemicals conglomerate Ineos, will rebrand cycling giant Team Sky as Team Ineos following multi-million pound deal Environmentalists have accused the company of 'greenwashing' to distract attention from its investments in fracking and plastic production The billionaire has recently acquired a public profile after building a £21bn personal fortune from his privately-owned business

Read more at: 

https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/jim-ratcliffe-team-sky-ineos-greenwashing/

 

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Fracking ban under consideration in Labour plans for bill

 Labour is hoping to amend new climate change legislation at the Scottish Parliament.
Labour plans to amend new climate change legislation at the Scottish Parliament, including looking at writing in a fracking ban.

The Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill will face its first parliamentary hurdle at a Stage 1 debate at Holyrood on Tuesday.

The Bill would update laws to increase the greenhouse gas reduction target from the current 80% to 90% by 2050.
https://stv.tv/news/politics/1436684-fracking-ban-under-consideration-in-labour-plans-for-bill/

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Anti-fracking campaigners win appeal against Ineos protest injunction

 

Anti-fracking campaigns have won a legal challenge to an injunction granted to the shale gas company, Ineos Upstream.

 

Three law lords granted an appeal brought by Joe Corre and Joe Boyd.

In a reserved judgement, Lord Justice Longmore, Lord Justice David Richards and Lord Justice Leggatt ruled that sections of the injunction, first granted in July 2017, were unlawful.

The case could have implications for similar, injunctions granted to four more oil and gas companies.

The original injunction prevented “persons unknown” from trespassing on or obstructing access to eight shale gas sites and company offices. It also prohibits people from combining together to commit unlawful acts “with the intention of damaging” Ineos or any other companies in its supply chain.

Today, the court of appeal struck out the sections applying to protests on the public highway, including slow walking protests, climbing on to vehicles and blocking the road. It also removed the section on protests against the supply chain.

https://drillordrop.com/2019/04/03/breaking-anti-fracking-campaigners-win-appeal-against-ineos-protest-injunction/

 

 

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Well the government minister for fracking just quit

 

Apparently she didn't agree with the earthquake rules

 

Tough rules are rules 

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Did they have a specific minister for Fracking ?

 

The way things are going, we will have a new lot in Government soon.

 

I think the other parties at Westminster are either totally against fracking or are more cautious saying that there are serious concerns about safety.

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Hi labrat and unclebulgaria67.

Just following on from your posts.Drill or Drop interesting article.

The shale gas commissioner, Natascha Engel has resigned after just over six months, she has told a national newspaper.

Ms Engel, a former Labour MP, opposed fracking when Ineos first announced it was planning to explore for shale gas in her North East Derbyshire constituency.

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Natascha Engel’s constituency office. Photo: DrillOrDrop

But after a visit, hosted by Ineos, to fracking operations in Pennsylvania, she changed her mind.

She later lost her parliamentary seat and was commissioned by Ineos to write a leaflet, as yet unpublished, about shale gas.

She was appointed as the UK’s first shale gas commissioner on 1 October 2018 and was due to have a half-yearly review last month.

DrillOrDrop asked Ms Engel last night why she was leaving and for a copy of her resignation letter. She has not responded.

 

DrillOrDrop has been seeking an interview with Ms Engel about her role since 11 October 2018.

We have made nine separate requests and provided almost 40 possible dates for an interview. But Ms Engel has never responded, despite telling us informally that she wanted to do an interview.

We know from a response to an FOI request to BEIS, that she was one of 18 applicants for the post, four of whom were interviewed and two deemed suitable.

She was appointed for a two-year-term and paid at rate of £500 per day for a total of 96 days per year. This was to be open to review.

Much more on the link.

https://drillordrop.com/2019/04/28/shale-gas-commissioner-resigns/

 

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More than a third of local election candidates standing next week in an area where Ineos wants to explore for shale gas have signed a “frack free pledge”.

55 would-be councillors in North East Derbyshire have said they will actively oppose fracking in their area.

 

https://drillordrop.com/2019/04/26/third-of-election-candidates-in-ineos-shale-gas-area-sign-frack-free-pledge/

 

Lancashire fracking site looks like an “abandoned ghost town”, says campaign group

Anti-fracking campaigners have accused Cuadrilla of leaving local people “in the dark” as more equipment was removed off the company’s Preston New Road site this week.

Frack Free Lancashire described drone images taken yesterday of the site near Blackpool as “more like an abandoned ghost town” than a “flagship fracking site”.

https://drillordrop.com/2019/04/25/lancashire-fracking-site-looks-like-an-abandoned-ghost-town-says-campaign-group/

 

 mmm, Could be interesting,i will watch this closely.

As Ineos prepares to launch its sponsorship of Britain’s leading cycling team at next week’s Tour de Yorkshire, an opponent of the company’s fracking plans reports on his own ride through the region’s shale gas licences.

Amateur cyclist Stuart Leach, who lives in Ryedale, visited 284 towns and villages in North Yorkshire to tell people about proposals to frack for gas.

In this guest post, he explains why he did it and what he learned from his 785-mile journey.

https://drillordrop.com/2019/04/27/guest-post-pedalling-the-pedls/

 

Just popping over to America.Just a couple of articles to mix things a little.

Have you ever googled asking what President Trump has said about Global Warming,Climate Change over the years,his Quotes,go on feel free.

 

Back to 2013.

Over the past decade, the oil and gas industry has fused two technologies—hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling—in a highly polluting effort to unlock oil and gas in underground rock formations across the United States.

https://environmentamerica.org/reports/ame/fracking-numbers

 

Trump plans to allow fracking near California's national parks

The Trump administration has issued a plan to open more than a million acres in California to fracking, including areas close to Yosemite, Kings Canyon and Sequoia national parks.

The government report states that additional fracking wells might require 80m gallons of water a year, even though some residents in the area face drinking water shortages

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-plans-allow-fracking-near-190725934.html

 

The way things are happening makes you think there is something of the night about it all.

Why would countries unless skint members put communities at risk,no matter how small they say the risk is.

I can only say what i have seen,communities,people on edge,stressed and distressed,losing sleep being thrown about from the ones with orders to follow.But who is the one at the top giving these orders,i would scroll a letter asking why

Great Britain where we live so close together and its communities being put through this.

 

Desperation from companies and powerful influential supporters with money to lose can lead to many things.

But usually come tumbling down sooner or later.We will see,power to the people.

I am gone,have your say as i do,ramble on.

Last thing ,over the years how many companies have you seen arrive in Great Britain or here already start throwing money around in local communities,sponsoring everything from football to putting a new roof on the village hall.Some do it small time,some big time,really big time.And after a time people have seen right through their desperation for local and national  respectability and finally booted or chased them out with their tails between their legs.And made to pay for their mistakes by the chasing posse.We surely do not want mistakes from these Fracking companies. Environmental cock-ups not financial messups are in two different leagues.

One is the Earth we live on,water,air,oceans,streams,rivers,peoples health.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend,i am gone

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I have not been around lately so a little late with the news of a few things that have been happening.
Trying to catch up a touch now.

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Updated picture post: Protests against Team Ineos at Tour de Yorkshire

from Drill Or Drop.
Showing the different stages.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/05/02/picture-post-protests-against-team-ineos-at-tour-de-yorkshire/

 

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Jim Ratcliffe, Ineos and the empire of trash


Brian Davey explores the decision of Ineos, one of the world’s largest chemical companies, to promote fracking. The Ineos majority shareholder, Jim Ratcliffe, claims fracking could regenerate northern Britain despite evidence that the strategy is
“a mirage that would lead to a mountain of debt and a mountain of garbage”.
http://www.feasta.org/2016/06/11/jim-ratcliffe-ineos-and-the-empire-of-trash/

 

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INEOS threatens to close UK plant unless it can dodge EU pollution rules

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/23/ineos-chemicals-environment-pollution-eu-lobbying/

 

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'We are hammering the last nail in the coffin of the fracking industry'


Direct action has spooked the government, shackled the shale gas companies and raised public awareness. Are protesters winning the fight against the frackers?
It was always a poisoned chalice, mediating between multinational fracking firms and the local communities dead set against the extreme form of energy extraction in their backyards. Nonetheless, it still shocked many when the government’s “shale
commissioner”, the former Labour MP Natascha Engel, resigned at the end of last month after barely six months in the job.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/08/we-are-hammering-the-last-nail-in-the-coffin-of-the-fracking-industry?
fbclid=IwAR31jMWmZMYdk8P9qV1egJtsewbaRhcYM-q-maCimsdyFG7GR4BUyqlIQrI

 

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INEOS is about fracking, plastics & pollution of our climate and oceans - not about
the ethical & environmental standards of the World Sailing Association
Open Letter to World Sailing President, Mr Kim Andersen


Many interesting links on the letter.
https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/INEOS-is-about-Fracking-Open-Letter.pdf

 

Well it is not hard to slate the plastic production kings Ineos is it,but what do they say about it.
Plans must have been made,massive plans for Fracking,Plastic production,chemical plants etc you would think.
Populations are growing,plastic is needed everywhere.Money to be made and lots of it.
Plastic production and Fracking are linked so closely,it has to go ahead for Ineos.The masterplan must have been made and underway for years.Could it all go pearshaped.

 

The future of the fossil fuel industry depends on plastics, and in the U.S., the recent rise in cheap shale gas from fracking is driving the plastics boom. Since 2010, over $180 billion has been invested into new plastics production plants that convert natural gas into ethylene, which is used to make many plastics. This means that the fossil fuel industry,responsible for pipelines that fuel climate change, is also responsible for the plastics crisis. When water protectors and activists resist pipelines across North America, organize for divestment from fossil fuels, campaign for renewable energy and urgent climate action, they are also actively addressing the plastics crisis at the root.

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The Fossil Fuel Industry Is Worsening the Global Plastics Crisis


Plastic Planet is a series on the global plastics crisis that evaluates the environmental and human costs and considers possible solutions to this devastating man-made problem.
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/fossil-fuel-industry-is-worsening-the-global-plastics-crisis

100s of millions if not billions at stake.
So rev up the public image by sponsoring massively,spend money like never before.
Like no other company has done before.do you see through it all or expect a businessman to throw a few hundred million about for a few bikes and a boat for fun.After all the company has made a few bob lately.A lot at stake.
But Climate Change,Global Warming thoughts have arrived in everyone's minds or most peoples.
Fracking Protectors,whole communities,school children,Scientists,Politicians many of them,Extinction Rebellion groups like that whose voice is growing across the world saying enough it has to stop.
Future generations do not want Oceans of plastic pollution the Earth choking to death.
So what do they,companies like Ineos say or have said.Whatever they have said time is running out,no time to make a few more billion those times have surely gone,or have they,we will see.


2016.
Ineos have signed a 15 year deal with Range Resources to supply fracked shale gas.

http://www.ineos.com/news/shared-
news/ineos-europe-ag-announces-a-new-agreement-to-source-ethane-from-the-usa/

Range Resources have been accused of causing a number of environmental incidents, see a long list
http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/tag/range-resources/

 

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Could you live a low carbon life? Meet the people who already are.


Some want a clear conscience. Others want to see if they are up to the challenge. But none of them want to wait until 2050 to cut their carbon emissions down to near-zero.

Across the country, environmentalists of all ages – from seven to 75 – are taking action now to lead low-carbon lives.

Last week, the government’s official advisory body, the Committee on Climate Change, recommended that the UK set a legally binding target to cut greenhouse gas emissions to zero by 2050.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/04/carbon-cutting-zero-emissions-eco-warriors-damaged-world?
fbclid=IwAR2V7JTIS_0PNjqOaHlquJaleGIh4C8qLFtQ_ND1vz0gurBX9oAd0zt9GYQ

 

Ireland.

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Fracking: Tamboran in new licence bid in Fermanagh


A spokesperson for a local anti-fracking group said the community would unite against its potential return.

Tamboran last attempted to carry out test drilling in 2014, but faced community and political opposition.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48191165

 

Fracking bid for Fermanagh renewed as consultation begins
The Department of Economy has announced that it has received an application for a Petroleum Licence covering a large area to the west of Upper Lough Erne and south of Lower Lough Erne.
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/17622553.fracking-bid-for-fermanagh-renewed-as-consultation-begins/?ref=twtrec

America.
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Fracking is a danger to our water supply. It’s a danger to the air we breathe. It causes earthquakes. It’s highly explosive.
And it’s contributing to climate change. We need to ban it nationwide.
Video.

 

 

Oh well it seems i have got a little roused and have let loose again,i do apologise.
I do not like what i have witnessed and seen over the last few years,it sure has affected me.I doubt if i will ever be the same again.But i sure have met some interesting people i will never forget.
Including plastic and pollution and many other things.Surely change is coming,i hope and fast.

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Not sure I could be carbon neutral yet but I'm getting there... 

 

Electric car, solar panels, already 

Looked at ground source heating but we don't have the sq footage needed

 

Looking into either having a battery put on (doubtful car would drain it in seconds) or to have a two way charger put in which would be better (especially as I can charge free at work then use the car to run the house) 

 

Apart from that our main carbon usage is the gas boiler - looking at switching to a wood burner which might sound bad carbon wise but as the solar would heat the water tank during most of the months 

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Long time no hear Tawney any updates? 

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Hi labrat.

I will be posting later in the week.Catching up with things.

A few things i am thinking about.

The amount of money being spent on Cracker Plants.

ETHANE CRACKER PLANTS: WHAT ARE THEY?

https://www.climaterealityproject.org/blog/ethane-cracker-plants-what-are-they

 

INEOS, Europe’s largest petrochemicals company, announces Antwerp as the location for its new ground breaking 3 billion Euro petrochemical investment.

https://www.ineos.com/news/ineos-group/ineos-announces-antwerp-as-the-location-for-new-petrochemical-investment/

 

The Oil & Gas Industry Want to Create New Demand For Plastics

As the fracking boom matures, the oil and gas industry is seeking new ways to monetize U.S. shale production. The oil and gas industry no longer pretends that drilling and fracking are about energy independence. New natural gas (liquified natural gas or LNG, not to be confused with NGL) export facilities have come online and more are planned. And now new ethane crackers and petrochemical manufacturing are planned to take advantage of ethane from U.S. fracking. The Center for International Environmental Law have been reports on plans to build or expand 264 petrochemical plants and increase U.S. plastics production by 1/3.

https://earthworks.org/issues/fracking-for-plastic/

 

What else have i been thinking of.Because i seem to be getting obsessed with plastics lately.

And i am guilty myself,plastic is everywhere. although trying to find alternatives when selling items.But still using it but looking for alternatives.

 

Yesterday as my job involves scouring beaches looking for things to make something out of.

Pretty moving scene yesterday.

80 People at least in front of me yesterday on a local beach stretching out into the distance,school children,volunteers,all ages spending minutes,hours whatever they could manage picking up plastics.

Digging deep into the seaweed by the tideline picking all sorts of things

As i was well behind they had completely cleaned a whole beach of the plastic.

But the next tide will bring more and they know it will.But they will be back.

And then there is the micro plastic problem.

And plastic production looks like it is going to increase massively.

I could say more as i see more but will leave that for now.

 

 

What else has been bothering me.

Ever since tobyjugg2 wrote a few pages back wondering what happens about Fracking after Brexit or words similar to that i have wondered.I could not answer as i do not know.

But something is driving these Frackers on.Someone must be saying something to them.

Promising things.

As i have said i am a little behind the latest,though i know there have been lock ons,all sorts of things happening.

Drill or Drop is great at checking out what is happening i will leave a link.

I have a strange feeling i will be putting many more links and videos and stories as the summer wears on.I hope i am wrong.

Leave you with this while i catch up over the next few days.

Lancashire fracking tremors could reach 3.1 magnitude – but very unlikely, says Cuadrilla

https://drillordrop.com/2019/06/17/lancashire-fracking-tremors-could-reach-3-1-magnitude-but-very-unlikely-says-cuadrilla/?fbclid=IwAR3Ceze4KcoENFaFCFAu4tC9NEEkb6dNYKNXWWEoa9_F5zOZPQqVUYxEKdc

 

Finally live at the moment the Ladies In White for the hundred and lost count times walk The Road To Hell to the Gates that lead To The Well To Hell.Cuadrilla Site Lancashire.

https://www.facebook.com/tinalouiseuk/videos/vb.885330257/10161990811075258/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab

 

Digging deep into the seaweed by the tideline picking all sorts of things

I will be back.

Hi labrat.

I will be posting later in the week.Catching up with things.

A few things i am thinking about.

The amount of money being spent on Cracker Plants.

ETHANE CRACKER PLANTS: WHAT ARE THEY?

https://www.climaterealityproject.org/blog/ethane-cracker-plants-what-are-they

 

INEOS, Europe’s largest petrochemicals company, announces Antwerp as the location for its new ground breaking 3 billion Euro petrochemical investment.

https://www.ineos.com/news/ineos-group/ineos-announces-antwerp-as-the-location-for-new-petrochemical-investment/

 

The Oil & Gas Industry Want to Create New Demand For Plastics

As the fracking boom matures, the oil and gas industry is seeking new ways to monetize U.S. shale production. The oil and gas industry no longer pretends that drilling and fracking are about energy independence. New natural gas (liquified natural gas or LNG, not to be confused with NGL) export facilities have come online and more are planned. And now new ethane crackers and petrochemical manufacturing are planned to take advantage of ethane from U.S. fracking. The Center for International Environmental Law have been reports on plans to build or expand 264 petrochemical plants and increase U.S. plastics production by 1/3.

https://earthworks.org/issues/fracking-for-plastic/

 

What else have i been thinking of.Because i seem to be getting obsessed with plastics lately.

And i am guilty myself,plastic is everywhere. although trying to find alternatives when selling items.But still using it but looking for alternatives.

 

Yesterday as my job involves scouring beaches looking for things to make something out of.

Pretty moving scene yesterday.

80 People at least in front of me yesterday on a local beach stretching out into the distance,school children,volunteers,all ages spending minutes,hours whatever they could manage picking up plastics.

Digging deep into the seaweed by the tideline picking all sorts of things

As i was well behind they had completely cleaned a whole beach of the plastic.

But the next tide will bring more and they know it will.But they will be back.

And then there is the micro plastic problem.

I could say more as i see more but will leave that for now.

 

What else has been bothering me.

Ever since tobyjugg2 wrote a few pages back wondering what happens about Fracking after Brexit or words similar to that i have wondered.I could not answer as i do not know.

But something is driving these Frackers on.Someone must be saying something to them.

Promising things.

As i have said i am a little behind the latest,though i know there have been lock ons,all sorts of things happening.

Drill or Drop is great at checking out what is happening i will leave a link.

I have a strange feeling i will be putting many more links and videos and stories as the summer wears on.I hope i am wrong.

Leave you with this while i catch up over the next few days.

Lancashire fracking tremors could reach 3.1 magnitude – but very unlikely, says Cuadrilla

https://drillordrop.com/2019/06/17/lancashire-fracking-tremors-could-reach-3-1-magnitude-but-very-unlikely-says-cuadrilla/?fbclid=IwAR3Ceze4KcoENFaFCFAu4tC9NEEkb6dNYKNXWWEoa9_F5zOZPQqVUYxEKdc

 

Finally live at the moment the Ladies In White for the hundred and lost count times walk The Road To Hell to the Gates that lead To The Well To Hell.Cuadrilla Site Lancashire.

https://www.facebook.com/tinalouiseuk/videos/vb.885330257/10161990811075258/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab

 

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Extinction Rebellion France and UK meet for joint action at Cannes Lions festival to demand the advertising industry tell the truth about the Climate and Ecological Emergency and act as though that truth is real.

 

 

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Live at the Cuadrilla Fracking Site Lancashire.The ladies in white arrive after their Call For Calm march

Standing in silence at the Fracking Site.Before speeches and perhaps a little singing.

 

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Seconds out-round two begins.

PNR Convoy 16-07-19-Cuadrilla Fracking Site-Lancashire.Early morning-4-45am.

 

Early morning return of Cuadrilla’s fracking equipment prompts local complaints
A convoy of 26 vehicles delivered fracking equipment to Cuadrilla’s shale gas site near Blackpool at about 4.45am today. 

The company said it opted for an early morning delivery to “minimise disruption for everyone using Preston New Road”.

Cuadrilla said last week it intended to frack the second well at the Preston New Road site by the end of August 2019.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/16/return-of-cuadrillas-fracking-equipment-prompts-local-complaints/


Community group challenges Cuadrilla’s view of geology at fracking site
People living near Cuadrilla’s Lancashire fracking site have said there are “serious and fundamental errors” in the company’s interpretation of local geology.

Preston New Road Action Group, which opposes operations at the site near Blackpool, has sent a lawyer’s letter to the Environment Agency (EA) about its concerns.

The EA is currently considering Cuadrilla’s hydraulic fracturing plan for the second well at Preston New Road, PNR-2. Cuadrilla said last week it expected to begin fracking this well by the end of August.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/14/community-group-challenges-cuadrillas-view-of-geology-at-fracking-site/

 

Villagers oppose Ineos plans for road closures around Harthill shale gas site
https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/12/villagers-oppose-ineos-plans-for-road-closures-around-harthill-shale-gas-site/

 

More soon as things seem to be heating up once again.
Does anyone know the latest views of Boris Johnson and Fracking ,has anyone mentioned it in the last month or so.
These companies surely just do not keep throwing money around like this unless the nod is coming from high up in the corridors of power.Or do they just gamble away.
So lots to look forward to,mess,earthquakes,disruption through country roads,massive amounts of police time,and costs associated.No one knows what happens to the chemicals that are sent down there for all time,the possibilities yet the companies can do whatever they like,something of the night about it all.
And possibilities of the disruption spreading.
You only have to look around check out the mass increase in Earthquakes in America to make you wonder a few things.

 

Water monitoring at Cuadrilla’s fracking site missed key chemicals – regulator
The Environment Agency has ordered urgent action after monitoring at Cuadrilla’s Lancashire fracking site earlier this year missed results for key chemicals.

https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/09/water-monitoring-at-cuadrillas-fracking-site-missed-key-chemicals-regulator/comment-page-1/

 

Cuadrilla breached permit over venting unburned methane at Lancashire frack site
https://drillordrop.com/2019/05/21/cuadrilla-breached-permit-over-venting-unburned-methane-at-lancashire-frack-site/

Plenty more info back in this thread showing Cuadrillas dismal record.
Yet onwards they go.

Lets follow and see what happens.Strange times.
Bye for now.
Tawnyowl.

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Good morning old Tawnyowl popping in just been trying to learn a little about microplastics and nanoplastics as we seem to be all having this forced unwelcome addition to our diet,roughly a credit cards worth a year.


Just a few articles then on to Fracking and some latest developments.

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Billions of poisonous plastic pellets flooding into our rivers and seas every year

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/billions-poisonous-plastic-pellets-flooding-16543607

 

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Plastics are hurting the planet in another unexpected way


Production of the stuff is on pace to become more damaging than 600 coal-fired power plants.
https://www.popsci.com/plastics-are-sealing-planets-fate/

 

Tiny pieces of plastic found in Arctic snow
The discovery suggests that microplastics are being carried around the planet in atmospheric winds, and that we’re breathing them in.


https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/08/microplastics-found-in-arctic-snow/

 

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Here’s What to Know About Microplastics and Your Health


Degrading plastics turn into “microplastics.”

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-dangerous-are-microplastics-to-your-health

 

And then there are nanoplastics another delightful addition to our diet.
I cannot find  much on effects on this unavoidable addition to humans.It is probably out there or will be soon.
It seems like we are all enjoying inhaling or eating roughly a credit cards worth of plastic a year.
And as the plans by the fossill fuel giants are already made for huge increases and the likes of Ineos and their Cracker Plants and the hunger by the world for plastics where will it end.
Well we know where some ends up.
Enough of plastics,trying to get a grip on it all is not easy.
 
Back to the Frackers and what is happening around and about

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Sites: What’s happening where?-From Drill Or Drop.
Summary of recent activity and expected operations at key sites, including applications, decisions, company plans and licence changes. 


https://drillordrop.com/sites/

 

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Government's shift to relax shale gas fracking safeguards condemned


Environment groups fear possibly ‘weakened’ earthquake risk rules after report on Cuadrilla drilling
Environmental groups have voiced fears that the government is preparing to row back on fracking regulations after officials said they were considering reviewing earthquake safeguard rules.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/15/governments-shift-to-relax-shale-gas-fracking-safeguards-condemned


Some recent events leading up to the latest effort by Cuadrilla to Frack in Lancashire.
Round two is now underway.Complete with Tremor tracker.

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Labour leader joins Lancashire campaigners to demand ban on fracking


Jeremy Corbyn met campaigners outside Cuadrilla’s shale gas site near Blackpool this afternoon and repeated his call on the government to ban fracking.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/30/labour-leader-joins-lancashire-campaigners-to-demand-ban-on-fracking/

Cuadrilla fails to fix well problem at Preston New Road fracking site

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Cuadrilla has confirmed it has not solved an ongoing mechanical problem with part of the fracked well at its shale gas site near Blackpool.


The company told DrillOrDrop other options would be tried before the well was fracked again.

But local opponents of the Cuadrilla’s operations at Preston new Road said the well was no longer fit for purpose and they had little confidence in the company’s technical ability.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/10/cuadrilla-fails-to-fix-well-problem-at-preston-new-road-fracking-site/

Fracking resumes at Preston New Road

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Cuadrilla confirmed this morning it has resumed hydraulic fracturing at its Preston New Road shale gas site near Blackpool.

The company appears to have been scooped to the news by the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS). It posted an online press statement at 10.47am. This restated the government’s position on shale gas exploration “as Cuadrilla resumed hydraulic fracturing (fracking) operations at its site in Preston New Road, Lancashire”.

Cuadrilla informed members of the Preston New Road community liaison group at 11.27am and published a press release at 11.42am. At the time of writing, DrillOrDrop understands that people living near the site had not been informed.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/15/fracking-resumes-at-preston-new-road/

 

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PNR tremor tracker 2019


This post tracks earth tremors induced by the second phase of fracking at Cuadrilla’s Preston New Road shale gas site in Lancashire.

Fracking of the site’s second horizontal well, PNR2, began on 15 August 2019 and was marked by one micro-seismic event. There were 11 more on the second day. All were well below the threshold for pausing fracking under the traffic light system regulations. Cuadrilla says the operation is due to end in November 2019.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/16/pnr-tremor-tracker-2019/


With the money being spent and plans being made and a certain political party looking like they are raring to fire up the Frackers it looks like they are going to take some stopping.What could stop the plans being made,do you know.Or are you all for the Frackers. For or against have your say.
Bye for now.
Tawnyowl.

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With the political parties the way they are the only thing likely to stop fracking would be a couple of homemade cruise missiles being flown into the drillhead

 

(this comment intended as satire, please do not use this statement as any real suggestion) 

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And another tremor

 

1.55 on the richter scale according to culdrilla

1.6 according to one of the monitors 

 

Culdrillas statement is that its only as bad as dropping a bag of shopping 

 

Fortunately I have a picture of Culdrillas shopping being delivered so I can believe that

 

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And now a 2.1 Richter tremor. This article says that at 2.3 another tremor caused the ceasing of fracking for seven years in the UK. I guess micr-temors are relative depending on whether you're Joe Public or Cuadrilla.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/25/uk-fracking-site-near-blackpool-reports-largest-tremor-yet

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Hi Tawnyowl here,i have been watching events over the last week or so as things develop.

Labrat,such a sense of humour.😀

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Sure does

 

 

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Suspicion over fracking firm’s “secret deal” with geological agency


Anti-fracking campaigners have reacted with concern to news that the British Geological Survey (BGS) signed a non-disclosure agreement with Cuadrilla over access to operational data.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/24/suspicion-over-fracking-firms-secret-deal-with-geological-agency/

 

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Aug 22nd.
“Living in fear” – residents respond to 1.6ML fracking tremor


Cuadrilla has been accused of trying to downplay last night’s 1.6ML earth tremor caused by its fracking operation near Blackpool.

The tremor, at 8.46pm, was the largest so far recorded at the Preston New Road site since fracking began there in October 2018.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/22/living-in-fear-residents-respond-to-1-6ml-fracking-tremor/

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24th August 2019
Largest ever tremor recorded at UK’s only fracking site in Blackpool
The UK’s only fracking site has been hit by the largest-ever tremor caused by the practice on British soil.

Energy firm Cuadrilla said a 2.23-magnitude tremor was recorded at its facility near Blackpool at 11.01pm on Saturday – the third “micro seismic event” this week.
While some local residents may have felt the movement, it was not strong enough to have caused any damage to property, the firm added. 
Do you believe anything this company says.
Like their so called micro seismic events you would think damage could have been caused to properties.
Once buildings start shaking this must happen surely.


I was approached this afternoon while at a cricket match.
Just chatting way about this and that when the person said

Did you feel the Earthquake last night.
I had not even heard about it,tell me more i said.
Lights and windows shaking moving around about a mile away on one of the North of Englands largest housing estates.
And there are reports of many more people feeling this event covered on this link.

Why should a community be put through this,waiting for the next one.

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Call for fracking ban after 2.1ML tremor shakes buildings around Cuadrilla shale gas site

People living around Cuadrilla’s shale gas site reported shaking buildings and windows last night from a 2.1ML tremor.

This is the strongest seismic event so far induced by fracking at the Preston New Road site near Blackpool. It brings to more than 90 the number of tremors since fracking resumed at the site less than a fortnight ago.

Within minutes of the tremor, there were reports that people had felt it from surroundings towns and villages including Blackpool, Weeton, Westby, Peel, Kirkham, Wrea Green, Great Plumpton and Lytham St Annes.
Much more on the link.
https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/25/call-for-fracking-ban-after-2-1ml-tremor-shakes-buildings-around-cuadrilla-shale-gas-site/

 

You might notice that the BGS has a page now for human activity causing Eartquakes-link

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Induced Seismicity around the British Isles in the last 50 days


Last updated: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 18:10:00 (UTC)
This list contains seismic events for which there is strong evidence that they have been induced by human activities. It is linked to a database of seismic events and locations and magnitudes may change as events are re-analysed and revised. Background, tectonic seismic activity is reported on our recent earthquakes list.


http://earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/induced/recent_uk_events.html

 

I had better leave it there for now, more soon.,how will it all end because surely it will.

Things cannot carry on much longer like this,can they?
Bye for now.
Tawnyowl writing from the Earthquake centre of Great Britain courtesy of Cuadrilla Fracking.

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Tawnyowl reporting from the Earthquake capital of Great Britain

Bank Holiday morning 26th August 2019.8-30am.

Blackpool earthquake: Panic at 'huge tremor' - 'House was shaking for 2-3 seconds!'

Multiple Twitter users have been reporting the quake, which they said occurred at 8.30am, with unconfirmed reports suggesting a magnitude of 2.9.

One said: “Just felt serious earthquake in Marton, Blackpool, about 08.30 hrs.

“The bed and house shook for a couple of seconds. Never experienced anything like that before.”

 

Another added: “8:31 this morning. Bed and wardrobe literally shaking.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1170146/Blackpool-earthquake-huge-tremor-fylde-lancashire-twitter

ANOTHER earthquake measuring 2.9 magnitude has been confirmed in Blackpool, Lancashire in what would is the fourth such tremor in six days in a series of incidents environmental campaigners have linked with fracking activities in the area.

 

The lagest Earthquake so far.

Cuadrilla are investigating after a 2.9 magnitude tremor was recorded at its fracking site, the biggest quake yet.

It comes after two others in five days which both were recorded as the strongest at the time.

https://news.sky.com/story/cuadrilla-investigating-after-2-9-magnitude-tremor-at-fracking-site-11794594

 

 

Boris Johnson on fracking

“Glorious News”

“It [fracking] is glorious news for humanity. It doesn’t need the subsidy of wind power. I don’t know whether it will work in Britain, but we should get fracking right away.”
9 December 2012, The Telegraph

“Stop pussy-footing around”

“we must stop pussy-footing around, and get fracking. Even if we have hundreds of fracking pads, they are nothing like as ugly as windmills, and they can be dismantled as soon as the gas is extracted.”
15 September 2013, The Sun 

“Give British people their mineral rights”

“Give the British people their mineral rights, and get fracking at last.

“No landowner, large or small, has any automatic commercial interest in the discovery of shale gas beneath their property. No wonder the shires are in revolt against fracking.

“It is no surprise that everyone is a Nimby – or in this case, Numby – when they are told that what is under their back yard is not theirs, but belongs to the Queen!”
30 June 2014,  The Telegraph

Tory party is shedding votes faster than Boris the Tarantula can shed its skin in these parts you would think.

 

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Will Boris Johnson Back Fracking In The UK?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-back-fracking-uk-190000866.html

 

More news coming in on todays Earthquake in Blackpool

Blackpool Hit By Another Earthquake Near Fracking Site

Blackpool was hit by another earthquake in the space of a few days, just a few miles from a nearby fracking site.

The quake was felt close to the Preston New Road site and was enough to wake some homeowners up.

According to reports, the tremor - which was believed to have measured around 2.6 in magnitude - was felt by hundreds of people.

http://www.ladbible.com/news/uk-blackpool-hit-by-another-earthquake-near-fracking-site-20190826

 

More later as news comes in.Hear anything have any links,views,news articles put them down.

By for now.Just phoning some friends in certain areas of Blackpool.

I was out about 6 am elsewhere in Lancashire so missed todays Earthquake.

Tawnyowl.

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This is serious,surely Cuadrila and Fracking are now finished in Great Britain.

Many reports of houses shaking and damage must have been done.

Including my phone full of messages from people who felt it.

Damage will have been done.

 

Surly no minister in their right mind would now relax Earthquake rules.

Government's shift to relax shale gas fracking safeguards condemned

Environment groups fear possibly ‘weakened’ earthquake risk rules after report on Cuadrilla drilling

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/15/governments-shift-to-relax-shale-gas-fracking-safeguards-condemned

 

Finally.

Latest fracking tremor believed to be UK's biggest yet

Houses shook as 2.9-magnitude quake recorded near Cuadrilla’s site near Blackpool on Monday

The 2.9-magnitude tremor, which startled residents at 8.30am on Sunday, is by far the largest recorded at the site and is bigger than the 2.3-magnitude quake that brought fracking to a halt in 2011.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/26/latest-fracking-tremor-believed-to-be-uk-biggest-yet-cuadrilla-blackpool?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR1yDrCtp37jkqHxI0XB78vTQd1m18pPtyIWIokSm03rXSDYhiCdixXwt-w

 

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Let me see 

 

1st one - like dropping a melon

2nd like a toddler playing on the floor

 

Is this one only equivalent to the s*** hitting the fan

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