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I've been parking on a retail car park for months now to enable me to go to work,

but suddenly this week I've received to PCN's for 2 consecutive days on the 6/7th April

asking me to pay £100 for each.

 

Lots of people have said to ignore the charges and I've looked on different forums

who also say ignore it but reading on the CAG forums other people are saying to challenge it.

Not sure what to do.

 

 

Feeling very confused and stressed about the whole thing, as never had any parking charges before.

 

Have driven back to the car park to check for signs

and there is a small sign saying customer parking only on the way in

but no other signs near the parking bays.

 

 

As I’ve been using the parking for a few months now didn't realise that I would be hit with fines,

until these sudden PCN's came through the letter box.

 

 

When you drive out there’s a sign to say that if you over stay your 180minutes free parking that you will be fined £100,

but this is not made clear when entering the car park.

 

 

Tbh I've never taken any notice as the car park has always been for free...

.. as other colleagues have been using the car park as well.

 

Don't want to pay 2x £100 as i do not believe it was made clear that they had brought in parking charges.

.. and also believe that £100 is ridiculous.

 

Please can anyone offer me some advice to my best course of action?

 

Stressed driver!

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ok firstly

please fill this out:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?462118-Have-you-received-a-Parking-Ticket-(2-Viewing)-nbsp

 

 

second

they are not 'fines'

they are speculative invoices

 

 

and I hope the signs dont use the word 'fine'

as you have indicated?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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OK photograph the signs as they must say more than customer parking only.

 

 

If that is what the sign at the entrance says and other signs have the bit about 3 hrs parking etc then a piccy of those and an idea of where they are placed will be very useful.

 

What was the exact date you got the demand through the post

and does it include any photographic evidence or mention the keeper liability under the PoFA?

 

 

Post up the NTK if you can.

 

 

If not tell us exactly what they say, do not paraphrase or offer your interpretation as the wording is crucial

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Here are the pictures of the car park and signs..

 

I received both letters through the post on the 18 April

and it has pictures of my car entering and leaving the car park and the amount of time I spent there.

 

The letter says word for word....

 

On 07 April 2016 you were the registered keeper of vehicle registration:

******** make: ********* colour: ****** which was parked on private property at:

century retail park, Hanley, Stoke-On-Trent, ST1 5QQ.

 

By entering and parking the vehicle on our client's private property the driver agreed,

with G24 Limited ('the creditor') to be bound by the terms and conditions of parking shown below.

 

 

The terms and conditions were clearly displayed at the entrance to, and in prominent places within, the car park.

 

 

In accordance with the agreement, by leaving your vehicle in the car park in breach of the terms and conditions of parking,

the driver is hereby required to pay a parking charge the sum of £100.00

within 28 days of the date of this contractual parking charge notice.

 

Term breached: Exceeding the maximum duration of stay permitted at century retail park, Hanley, Stoke-On-Trent, ST1 5QQ.

 

Term applicable: That a sum (''the parking charge'') of £100.00 is payable.

 

To date, the contractually agreed parking charge had not been paid in full

and we do not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver.

 

 

If the parking charge is paid within 14 days of the date of this contractual parking notice, it will be reduced to £60.00.

 

 

If no payment is recieved within 28 days G24 Ltd will forward the outstanding debt to a debt recovery agency,

and the driver may incur additional costs for late payment.

 

Your are not invited to

 

a) Pay the unpaid parking charge or;

 

b) If you were not the driver of the vehicle, to notify us of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and pass this notice on to the driver.

 

Please be warned; that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given

(i) the amount of the unpaid parking charge specified in this notice has not been paid in full and

(ii) we do not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver

, we have the right to recovery the unpaid parking charge from you, the registered keeper.

 

Please see the reverse of this notice for further information on how to pay / how to make a representation against the parking charge.

 

Spelling mistakes include with letter.

 

Went around the car park to take pictures and as you can see there is not a clear sign with the terms and conditions at the entrance…

. Plus all terms and conditions signs are all facing the perimeter of the car park

….and more specifically there are none in the area where I parked (outside burger king)

which is why I photographed that area.

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the 'creditor' what utter bowlarks

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Does the NTK contain everything needed to comply with schedule 4 of the POFA 2012??

 

Check here;

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4/enacted

 

There can be no keeper liability if not, let alone the inadequate signage...

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the signs are not a contract but an "invitation to treat"

so you are then allowed to decide if you want to enter into a contract that is subsequently offered.

 

"O" level law case study this one,

you go into a shop that has a big sign outside saying 50% off most items

and you go in, select an item not in the sale and ask how much.

 

 

the shopkeeper says it is full price and you then cannot

1) force the shopkeeper to sell you it at 50% off,

2) force the shopkeeper to sell it to you at all as the contract is offer

and consideration so you offer the money and he accepts the money

and gives you the goods in return.

 

 

Likewise the shopkeeper

1) cannot force you to buy something just for enquiring about his sale and

2) cannot charge you for wasting his time.

 

The invitation is that sign,

that doesnt say you cannot park without agreeing to the contract offered by another sign somewhere else

so you can park and it is up to you whether you want to consider and accept the rest of what is in the sale.

 

G24, Excel and others commonly make this error and they have lost at court

because of it so dont be bullied into paying them anything or believing their bs.

they know it is wrong but do nothing

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