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Hi everyone I have not be on here for a long long while,

 

I was made homeless back in 2012 had an awful experience met some great people on here who helped me in my worst...

But...things have not turned out very well and it's a long story..

 

First of all the council offered us this flat we are in now, we did not have a lot of choice.

 

It's on a small estate most people here are working families a few old lady's and disabled people, then there are the chavs.

 

Unfortunately our flat is above the ring leader chavs of the estate, but of course we never knew this.

 

At first things were ok, they are loud neighbours.

 

Then things progressively got worse, the stench of the weed was overwhelming they had a constant flow of people in and out at all hours.

 

Then one day they were raided by police at 6am and things got quiet..but not for long.

 

The people came back the drugs came back and the door slamming.

 

We were so fed up of the door slamming we complained until we were blue! The council came to fit one of those door mechanism that closes the door slowly so it doesn't slam, the neighbours decided they didn't like this and broke it off!

 

So the council came again and they broke it again....then again until someone went around to talk to them but nothing was done.

 

You get the idea what they are like...around this time last year a council representative came around about the drugs. He spoke to me and said they could lose their tenancy, after this they went really quiet.

 

In August we went away for the month. In return the neighbour was pregnant. We thought this might make them quiet and stop slamming doors.

 

Fast forward to now, they have baby and things are worse.

Often she stays at her boyfriends and leaves the flat to her brother, sister and the sisters teenage son. They are so loud and inconsiderate they slam the door and the whole building shakes, they drink, take drugs and make so much noise.

 

Yesterday the neighbours were out, the brother came around under the influence of something. He was banging on the Windows to be let in.

My husband had to leave to pick up his car, as he opened the hallway door the brother pushed the door into him pushing him back and proceeded to knock on neighbours door.

At this my husband questioned him and he became verbally threatening saying things like 'don't look at me like a d@@k head'

My husband came back up and said to call the police which we did, the whole time the brother is there having an argument with himself but amazingly knows we are calling police.

 

He passes out eventually on the stairs the police never came but the neighbours did return. She had difficulty waking him, they went inside and I heard him telling her about the argument with my husband.

 

Then today the doors are being slammed my hair dresser was over blow drying my hair she stops and says 'what's that crashing noise' I have to explain the neighbours are slamming the doors.

My husband goes down and finds the brother outside.

 

So he shouts at him to stop slamming the f ing doors the brother then denies it saying it was others who just left, then he begins verbally assaulting my husband saying things like ' we have lived here longer, f@@k off back up stairs'

 

My husband came up and said 'he was out of it' he said he wanted to punch him but saw he was slurring his words and his head was looking about.

 

Around two hours later police turn up, they visit neighbours first.

They say they can about door banging and neighbours deny they have done anything.

 

Then they come to us and ask about it and I point down ward they ask if it was them and I nod as I can't say much. They asked if we had called them and I say no then they left.

 

So someone else had reported them...

 

After the police go my neighbours find this hilarious, the brother comes into the street and shouts something about wasting police time...they are talking loud so we can hear how the police will do nothing to them and we are the ones who are noisy and wrong.

 

As I type they are still up talking about it now, how they will get us in trouble, swearing about my husband, talking over scenarios about what happened and how they were right and how they will report us.

 

 

I am honestly scared to death right now...mostly out of conflict between my husband and the neighbours brother.

I'm hoping their will be no more confrontation, I feel sick.

I have put up with this for almost 3 years, I try to make things as normal as possible for my son but now I am struggling so much.

 

We have reported these neighbours so many times I couldn't even count yet nothing gets done about them...no one helps us.

I feel so scared and trapped. I really need help.

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This needs to be raised with your local Police neighbourhood team and also the local council housing/safety team.

 

There must be a way to raise an urgent complaint, where there is a risk to your personal safety.

 

I don't think the council will move your neighbours, as the flat is probably the last place, before they kick them out onto the streets, which they won't do now, because of the child.

 

I think your only option is to be moved to alternative housing, where you can enjoy a more peaceful life.


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In the flat i rent they had the same problem.

It was eventually sorted when all the neighbours got together and physically went to the council.

A week later they were out.

Maybe it's worth do the same thing.

Also, take a note of every time they do something antisocial.

The drugs bit is your strongest point.

When you know they're smoking, call the police and explain that they know how to act, so maybe they'll send an unmarked car and catch them in the act.

That would be game over for them

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So I called up the non emergency police this morning because I wanted the reference number for banging door incident.

They were not able to give it to me as someone else had made the call.

So she said if I reported it now it would be on record twice, then she asked me to tell her what was going on.

 

I explained everything over the years and she asked how often noise/drugs and anti social behaviour happens I said daily.

 

She said we there is enough information to make a report. She said an officer would call to get details and arrange some sort of visit. I'm not sure what will come of this visit but she had asked to see all evidence of complaints written down.

 

Tomorrow I will also report to council and give them all my crime reference numbers.

 

I'm just worried as these complaints are not longer anonymous, they know it's us.

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The other point is the safety of the neighbours child, which must be a concern. It would be pretty bad if the child was harmed and people were just concerned about anti social behaviour. The neighbours situation is unfit for a child.


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You should keep a full log of the times and types of incident and record the noise.

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The other point is the safety of the neighbours child, which must be a concern. It would be pretty bad if the child was harmed and people were just concerned about anti social behaviour. The neighbours situation is unfit for a child.

 

Agree.

If they're doing drugs in the same place where a newborn lives, social services should be doing something very drastic.

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Hi shreddies2

 

What you need to do in situations like this so that YOU keep the upper hand and not them (as you have found out they will always try to twist it round to YOU are the ones at fault.

 

I know this is going to be hard at times but you need to keep the upper hand, even if you see them just be polite nothing more don't give them an excuse but importantly from now keep a written record of every single incident no matter how small and report to both the Councils Anti Social Behaviour Team (in fact ask the council for a copy of their Anti Social Behaviour Policy) and the Police.

 

Keep reporting every single incident (With the council ensure to inform then if you don't want your names or address mentioned and with the Police if you do not wish a uniformed officer to visit your property inform them and the reason as you are in fear of repercussions from that tenant).

 

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Thank you so much for that information.

I have reported them to the council and have a neighbourhood officer or someone like that coming to visit.

I have made a report to the police, but reading in other forums I also found people befriend their PCSO, so I sent an e-mail explaining the situation and had an email back telling me who my local PCSO was.

 

We are arranging to meet, I'm not sure what a PCSO can do about the situation but it helps me feel safer knowing I have someone of authority on my side who can look out for me...perhaps patrol the area, keep an eye on them?

 

Police want to visit me and to be honest since the police visit on Saturday, the neighbours have been very quiet. Although they seemed to find it funny and make stupid loud threats outside (we didn't even call the police, someone else did) I wonder if I did have police visit me and the neighbours saw it would freak them out more.

She has had many warnings and police raids, her children must be known by social services, I think this police visit on Saturday has put her back in place...I know it won't last and I can't help but think, is this the calm before the storm?

 

What I really want now, is for the council to visit her, make it clear that the behaviour of her family members and guests is her responsibility whether she is in or not. She does not have rights because she has lived here longer than us, she must understand the behaviour is the problem not us.

 

That's all I want, I think a visit like that will do some good, she needs to realise what is going on when she stays at her boyfriends and let's her family members stay over. It's not OK, right now she doesn't understand that, she doesn't care. She only began to understand after the police visit.

 

I must admit I'm terrified still, work has been difficult and when I walk up to my property I pretend I'm preoccupied on my phone or put my headphones in, even though I'm not listening to music. I even call people so I don't feel like I'm walking alone if they are standing outside smoking.

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Hi shreddies2

 

Thought I would pop in to see how things are going with this.


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Hi shreddies2

 

Thought I would pop in to see how things are going with this.

 

 

Hi, thanks for wanting to check in...

 

The neighbourhood officer and a PCSO visited my neighbours,

They denied everything and even put the blame elsewhere saying that they found the reports were a form of harassment.

 

They were told of the noise and behaviour carried on they were in danger of losing their tenancy.

 

Things have been worse since, obviously they are not happy about this visit and have shown their disapproval by trying to look through our windows while whistling so we will look out. Loudly talking outside the flats saying how they don't care as they can get us.

Talking about how they never make noise and now they can't slam there doors even though they are out all day (but the problem is also she allows people to use the flat while she is out!)

Shouting how she has done nothing wrong and the noise from them does not wake up the street.

She noticed my windows were open and shouted up "yeah I don't care if you can f@cking here me, you don't like it, f@cking move...I've been here nearly 10 year"

Then she said if she finds out who the other neighbour is reporting them "she's gonna go f@cking mad"

 

This has terrified me further....I'm actually wishing we never reported them now....I'm so scared I can't eat,sleep or concentrate....I feel like a mess

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Time for you to hire a very large scary man and let him be seen with you and introduced to your nice neighbours as your little brother who spent the last 10 years in her majesty accommodation.

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@ king12345 No it isn't time to take your course of action you suggest which would make matter even worse.

 

Hi shreddies2

 

I really do sympathise with you in this situation which isn't an easy one to be in when you have a neighbours like that.

 

You should not have to feel like this even in your own home but please stay strong.

 

You need to let the PCSO and the neighbourhood officer know what has been happening since their last visit (have you been keeping a written log of every incident as this is also evidence to back your case). Please please ensure to tell them exactly how you are feeling as I am sure there is more to what you have posted as they need to be aware of this.

 

Due to this neighbours reaction I would recommend informing the neighbourhood officers and the PCSO that if they wish to speak to you on this matter it must be on neutral ground away from your property and under no circumstances is you name or property to be mentioned to these problem neighbours which you are entitled to ask due to your situation.


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I am sorry in advance for this long post and read as it contains links to information that may assist you in your quest for a quieter home life. For you this information can be found in the following link >> https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/352562/ASB_Guidance_v8_July2014_final__2_.pdf

 

1st A quote from that link above:

 

 

This guidance is written primarily for the police officers, council staff and social landlords who will use the new powers.

Part 1 looks at the new measures being introduced to give victims a greater say in the way their reports of anti-social behaviour are dealt with.

 

 

Part 2 then outlines the new powers. We have worked closely with frontline professionals, victims and others in the development of the legislation, and we will continue to work to ensure that this guidance helps professionals make best use of the new powers to protect the public.

 

 

Finally: The misuse of drugs act 1971 s8(a)

 

Miscellaneous offences involving controlled drugs etc.

 

8 Occupiers etc. of premises to be punishable for permitting certain activities to take place there.

 

A person commits an offence if, being the occupier or concerned in the management of any premises, he knowingly permits or suffers any of the following activities to take place on those premises, that is to say—

 

 

(a)producing or attempting to produce a controlled drug in contravention of section 4(1) of this Act;

 

 

(b)supplying or attempting to supply a controlled drug to another in contravention of section 4(1) of this Act, or offering to supply a controlled drug to another in contravention of section 4(1);

 

 

©preparing opium for smoking;

 

 

(d)smoking cannabis, cannabis resin or prepared opium.

 

 

On the estate I used to live we had similar issues. This was dealt with in an effective manner when the LA were presented with that listed above. It worked for our community then and it works for our community were I live now.

I hope the above helps you to a quieter life in the near future...

For the full Act please see here >> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/38

 

Further reading here >> https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/219663/asbos9.pdf

 


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@ king12345 No it isn't time to take your course of action you suggest which would make matter even worse.

 

Hi shreddies2

 

I really do sympathise with you in this situation which isn't an easy one to be in when you have a neighbours like that.

 

You should not have to feel like this even in your own home but please stay strong.

 

You need to let the PCSO and the neighbourhood officer know what has been happening since their last visit (have you been keeping a written log of every incident as this is also evidence to back your case). Please please ensure to tell them exactly how you are feeling as I am sure there is more to what you have posted as they need to be aware of this.

 

Due to this neighbours reaction I would recommend informing the neighbourhood officers and the PCSO that if they wish to speak to you on this matter it must be on neutral ground away from your property and under no circumstances is you name or property to be mentioned to these problem neighbours which you are entitled to ask due to your situation.

 

 

Hopefully it will all be forgotten about in a couple of weeks....

My real fears are from her visitors and confrontation.

I can't stand the whistling outside, the other night my husband left and I heard the whistling. I thought he was whistling to me thinking he forgot something...but it was neighbours nephew standing opposite with a group of friends. He was whistling at my husband, then I watched my husband drive off, the nephew looked straight at me.

Later he did the same again and stupidity enough I went to the window to see him their with all his friends laughing.

 

Late last night I also saw the neighbours guest try and climb the fence out back...I don't know why he did this, he wasn't trying to look in as he was climbing it...he could have been dumping something over the fence.

Then later as he leaves he shouts F off so loudly it makes me jump.

I sat there last night trembling wanting my husband to come home.

 

Today I'm going to try get an appointment with GP as I can't carry on living in fear like this, I'm not sure if they can give me anything?

 

I have hardly slept, I keep coming up with plans, one is that I try and 'bump' into neighbours and explain to her I have a neighbourhood officer and PCSO visiting me, and is she having a visit too.

Then I'll explain its because I've been told noise complaints have bee reported at this address, then I'll ask her for advice, like should someone be with me, or what do they talk about.

 

I thought if I try to come to her level the threats might stop, what do you think!

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Yes, I have but I don't think I'll report them again, nothing will be done.

The neighbourhood officer on the phone was even telling me 'they say it's not them' but it is!! When I complained of people coming and going until all hours of the night the officer said 'she says that's her going out for a cigarette' no no no they have a constant stream of people it's not just going out for a cigarette!

There is so much I could go on about, I can't see any positive I got out of reporting them, only negatives.

Now I'm trying to deal with the repercussions, I knew this would happen but I still reported it, it's like it's my fault.

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@ king12345 No it isn't time to take your course of action you suggest which would make matter even worse.

 

Showing that there's someone big and scary on their side would probably make the chavs move to the next victim.

They're doing all of this because they see them as easy targets.

I'm not suggesting that they get them beaten up, but just walk past them with a gigantic rough monster will make them think twice before they continue their campaign

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We could do with an update shreds? What is happening about all this? You have my absolute sympathy. I have a neighbour who has a very irratating voice, sounds like the joker from the 60's series of Batman!

 

Please hang in there, I did read your other harrowing thread further down this (first) page and I have been following your progress.

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Dial 999 everytime there is an incident, and I mean EVERYTIME. You need to tell the police you are in fear of your life, and contact the council everytime there is an incident.

Doing it legally can take ages, it took my mate 18 months to get a nutter evicted from next door.

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This is not the place to advocate heavy handed tactics.

All I ask is to be treated fairly and lawfully.

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Or you do what someone i know did. Anonymous tip of to Police of criminal activities taking place at the neighbours address. The Police did find criminal activities when they raided the place and the neighbours were gone.


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Hi shreddies2

 

Thought I would pop in to see if there is any update on this at all?


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