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A friend of mine posted a picture he'd taken of a billboard in Scotland advertising 'Legal Name Fraud'

and as curiosity bested the two of us we went googling...

 

Just wondering if anyone actually takes this seriously?

I note that the last time someone tried the 'freeman on the land / legal name' thing with a Judge

he jailed her for nine months for contempt (http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2011/B15.html).

 

In the dim and distant past as a CAB worker I had someone come in complaining

that he couldn't get a passport to go on holiday because he'd renounced his 'legal name'

and the passport authority wouldn't print one with his 'Joseph of the family Terminally-Misguided-Bloggs' on it

and his rights were being breached because the nation he'd renounced were stopping him from going to Benidorm...

 

So my question is, what is the purpose of this?

Is it an attempt to confuse less than confident police officers / court officials?

Is it a genuinely held belief that people are beyond the law?

Are people daft enough to think that they can simply opt-out by changing their name?

 

What are your views?

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From some of the posts I have seen, it is a way of avoiding council tax / national taxes and the FOTML's right to do pretty much as they please without government interference.

 

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In the dim and distant past as a CAB worker I had someone come in complaining that he couldn't get a passport to go on holiday because he'd renounced his 'legal name' and the passport authority wouldn't print one with his 'Joseph of the family Terminally-Misguided-Bloggs' on it and his rights were being breached because the nation he'd renounced were stopping him from going to Benidorm...

 

My view on this: If he had renounced the nation of his birth, he also gave up the right to hold a passport of that nation, ergo, no breech of human rights. That said, he probably deserves the title of Terminally Misguided.

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FOTL is a club for nut cases, they heard something said by someone and believe it because a friend of a friends mates uncle said he didn't have road tax and they can't make him buy it..

 

One of the big leaders of this stupidity is David Icke a man who thought, (and still does) that he was some sort of messiah and everyone would bow down before him.

 

I say to these FOTL fools the same thing Terry Wogan said to David Icke in an interview, "the world is laughing at you, not with you".

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So has anyone here actually looked into this yet, or are these all just closed opinions.

 

So far, as I have been able to understand from Googling it, it has to do about a fraud being revealed.

 

Fraud is simply a knowing attempt to deceive another to steal from them.

Plain and simple, a fraud is hidden theft.

 

And as I further went down this rabbit hole, I discovered that not only is the Birth Certificate a bond on the stock exchange

(and is how money/debt is created into the Legal system), it is also Crown Copy-right.

 

I found this interesting that the Crown has a copy-right on these titles

and to think that not only did I not ever in my life sign the birth certificate,

like you would with other things, such as (ie Licences, passports, bank account etc...).

 

So that would mean, in contract law, and copy-right law, if I was not the creator/author of this creation,

or party to it as not signed it, That would mean this Birth Certificate has nothing to do with me.

And by using it, would place me as a 3rd party interloper. And that's illegal.

 

As far as I can tell, it isn't about going to court like a freeman on the land scenario,

cause then your just asking for trouble, using that BC and all, it's about a fraud being revealed

and not using it any longer to exit the system all together.

 

Which then makes me wonder, what to do when you out of Legal system, and how to live?

I guess it would be hard to fathom on what will happen to people who live without a Legal name

, but my guess is it would be a lot better than living in this one way, their way Legal religion.

 

Any thoughts?

 

P.S. Also I found this document which explains CROWN copy-right 1998, and what is deemed property of the CROWN.

 

 

Google "Crown Copy-right in the information age"

See bottom of page 29 and 31 regarding what is registered CROWN property.

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I'm still not sure if you are saying ;

A) you believe the FMOTL approach is valid or

B) you believe the FMOTL approach is "snake oil", peddled by (at best) misguided individuals.

 

Since the FMOTL'ers rely so much on the significance of the common law as it applies to contract law, I'd be asking any of them if:

a) they believe a contract has to be written

b) if not and they accept a contract can be verbal or implied

c) if they use local and central government services (the NHS, roads kept at public expense, rubbish collections and such like)

d) don't they have to pay, or are they a bunch of freeloaders?

 

Mind you, I wouldn't expend too much energy on them / their ideas.

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think about it, please go and sit on the naughty step as this thread may cause some irritation in the FOTL community and they may want to come here and defend their 'misguided' views thereby causing CAG much grief.:razz:

 

 

Anyone can change their name. It's called a Deed Poll or even a simple Statutory Declaration would do. All that is requires is that you notify the relevant bodies/people.

 

If a passport holder refuses to acknowledge that the name on the passport is theirs then that would raise suspicions (more especially now that terrorists are more prevalent)

FOTL believers think they are allowed to opt out of anything they don't believe in. OK then, just stop using the roads, putting your bins out for the rubbish to be collected, stop using the utilities available, give up working as you won't want to be taxed on your wages and don't claim any benefits available to law abiding citizens.

 

As for the birth certificate being used as a bond to raise funds. Laughable. Crown Copyright just means that the Government hold the rights to the form and format of the birth certificate, not a person then belonging to the Government.

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think about it, please go and sit on the naughty step as this thread may cause some irritation in the FOTL community and they may want to come here and defend their 'misguided' views thereby causing CAG much grief.:razz:

 

But wait,

I didn't sign a naughty step contract and Think About It is just a legal fiction of a straw man of a fraudulently created legal name whose birth certificate is now worth £tens of thousands, but only costs £10 to get a new one who is also a human being and a person. I refute the existence of your naughty step, the berber carpet that covers it and its legal place in the universe under marine law.

 

So there...

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But wait, I didn't sign a naughty step contract and Think About It is just a legal fiction of a straw man of a fraudulently created legal name whose birth certificate is now worth £tens of thousands, but only costs £10 to get a new one who is also a human being and a person. I refute the existence of your naughty step, the berber carpet that covers it and its legal place in the universe under marine law.

 

So there...

 

:lol::lol:

Classic!

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But wait, I didn't sign a naughty step contract and Think About It is just a legal fiction of a straw man of a fraudulently created legal name whose birth certificate is now worth £tens of thousands, but only costs £10 to get a new one who is also a human being and a person. I refute the existence of your naughty step, the berber carpet that covers it and its legal place in the universe under marine law.

 

So there...

 

Absolutely. However you have berthed / birthed the name "think about it" aboard the good ship CAG, and are now subject to maritime law : this leads to some good news and some bad news.....

 

Good news : you can claim you don't have to pay Council Tax, and thumb your nose at police officers telling them "I don't consent!"

 

Bad news: you'll still end up paying council tax, and the coppers can still nick you regardless, although they might not if they decide you aren't worth the hassle!

 

Could be Good news, could be Bad ....... Maritime law? Remember what Churchill supposedly said about the RN;

http://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-1433,00.html

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Absolutely. However you have berthed / birthed the name "think about it" aboard the good ship CAG, and are now subject to maritime law : this leads to some good news and some bad news.....

Are keel hauling and flogging still options open to the captain of the ship as punishment for transgressions ?

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Are keel hauling and flogging still options open to the captain of the ship as punishment for transgressions ?

 

Captain or Master?

 

On a distinct note : the person in overall command of a ship is its Master. Master is also a judicial appointment.

 

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/about-the-judiciary/who-are-the-judiciary/judicial-roles/judges/high-ct-masters-registrars/

 

So, by the convoluted twaddle of FOTL this must represent absolute proof they are correct!.

 

(Master is also a title given to a young male child, so does that prove FOTL'ers behave like petulant children?)

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Great idea!!

 

I can opt out of being a citizen.

 

Great stuff. Now all I have to do is find an uninhabited island somewhere and hope I don't get swine flu.

 

 

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Great stuff. Now all I have to do is find an uninhabited island somewhere and hope I don't get swine flu

 

No need. Just go back to Skaro!

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No you get taxed to death there. Literally exterminated if you don't pay.

 

 

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As is the Flu but at least you can vaccinate against the worst strains :)

 

I keep seeing startling displays of utter nonsense, my most favourite being a police officer dragging one such idiot out of his car whilst he screams 'I don't consent' repeatedly like some magic incantation to make the nasty policeman disappear. Of course, it didn't work...

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This 'story' is gaining ground

 

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These have been springing up near me too on the south coast.

When i immediately read it my mind cast straight to FOTLM.

 

When will these muppets ever learn :lol:

 

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These have been springing up near me too on the south coast.

When i immediately read it my mind cast straight to FOTLM.

 

When will these muppets ever learn :lol:

 

Erm! That'll be never then :smile:

 

Just to make my position clear. Anyone that spouts FOTL in any form are complete and utter nutters

 

Silver of the Fox family :lol:

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The plan is to develop the site so that we can provide more options and more legislated advice to our visitors by becoming FCA guided

 

In order for us to achieve this, we need to have a legal team conduct full checks through the website and give us the seal of approval, this is the majority of the finance and as the site currently stands will be quite a chunk of the costs.

 

 

The remainder of what we raise will go on the development of the site

 

 

 

Their plans are in complete disarray and cannot be achieved. Almost a month since the 'Crowd Funding' appeal was set up they have only managed to extract £2,600 from their 'supporters'.

 

This is of course not in the slightest bit surprising given that site visitors are mainly those wanting to seek ways of AVOIDING having to pay anything.

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