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fletch, have you looked the living together as husband and wife or civil partners rules? Here's a link to the decision maker's guide page with the link in case it helps.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/decision-makers-guide-vol-3-subjects-common-to-all-benefits-staff-guide

 

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Ok to give you an idea as to why I asked what I did ok.

 

My daughter stays with me often. My daughter is family obviously, but she can get a reduction in CT and or get carers allowance. But could this be seen as living here as she also has her own home too. That answer is no because of her role as carer. This also helps with DLA as I need overnight care. Can you now see what I was saying and asking?

 

It only matters if the relationship is seen as living together as a married couple for the purposes of claiming benefits. If this is seen as such this could cause issues...


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I have read some of the link provided

 

As I see it

 

We each have our own property ( one rented one owned)

Each person has all their bills attached to their own place

The furniture etc in each property is owned by the person whose property it is i.e All my possessions are stored in my flat , all my partners possessions are in his

 

There are of course some items that are mine and stay at my partners e.g toothbrush, shaver, a few clothes and any current books that i am using

 

I can not be a member of two households (according to the rules) and as my property is in my flat for which I pay bills etc we can not be seen as living together

 

Does anyone disagree

 

On another note I have received the decision

It seems that they have taken the statement by the HCP i.e can cook beans on toast and don't have physical disabilities along with the fact there is no specialist or nutritionist advice I am able to cook-go figure

 

Anyway i will be writing my appeal over the next two days

 

Would it be appropriate to post it on here when it is done for constructive input?

 

I am not going to elaborate on my living arrangements just as RMW suggested talk about when I have proper meals and if I can phrase it correctly as mikeymack suggested

 

mikeymack, there are reasons why I can not PM - I am sure Citizen B would elaborate if you asked , let's just say i am not the messiah i was a very naughty boy


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Happy to proof read in due course.

 

I'm apparently very adept at providing just the right information to encourage someone to make the assumption that will benefit me the most whilst being totally and absolutely honest.

 

ATOS, Maximus, Captia and DWP seem to love making assumptions, so I'm just helping them along a bit.


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Shortly the MR decisions will be posted and also my draft appeal letter


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MR decision uploaded as requested.

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Thanks Citizen B

 

Here is a draft of my appeal letter

I am not sure about the bathing question , if it looks as if I am using a scatter gun approach then i will leave it out.

While i do suffer social anxiety and only make familiar journeys i do not think that it is worthwhile following the mobility route

 

I would like to appeal against my decision to refuse Personal Independence Payment .

 

My appeal is based on two grounds as I believe the evidence and decision on all other grounds has been appropriate.

 

Ground 1

Preparing and Cooking Food

 

I do not believe that the decision maker understood my problems with preparing a meal. Firstly the only question the assessor asked me was whether I could cook beans on toast ,I do not believe that this is what the legislation intended when it described a simple one course meal from fresh ingredients. I did try to raise this with the assessor and again in my request for a manadatory reconsideration but was told by the assesor that this was the definition he had been given.

 

In reality the cooked meals that I eat are either meals paid for , usually at college or cooked for me by my partner. All other meals are snacks such as snack soup, pot noodles, cereal etc. The reasons that I do not cook are several fold

1. I lack the motivation to cook and just can not face the struggle of preparing the food as needed. When I arrive home from University I am emotionally and physically tired which means that for some time I just do not have the will to cook.

2. In the past when I have used a cooker I have either left the hob or oven on long after it is needed. I have had to contact a neighbour to go into my flat to check if the oven was left on because I had left the flat and could not remember. When with my partner I have left the gas hob burning which has been found some time later.

3. Eating meals , although important in management of my diabetes frequently exacerbates my I.B.S. I usually have to use the toilet several times soon after eating a meal although there is no way to predict this. As a result I do not eat breakfast before I leave for University or meals when I know I have to leave the house. My IBS has caused me some great embarrassments due to eating and I have now had to modify my eating and life to cope with this.

 

 

 

Ground 2

Bathing and Showering

 

While I admit that I am able to use the over bath shower at home I must point out that I have a non slip matt in the bath so that I don’t slip and that the bath has handles which I use when getting in and out of the shower.

 

When I am at my partners there are no shower facilities and the bath does not have handles, as a result he helps me out of the bath most times. This is because I slip and fall back into the bath without help.

I must stress that I never have a bath when I am alone

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fletch, in the letter they say that the next stage is the tribunal. I'm not clear if you're writing to the decision make or the tribunal with your appeal.


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To the tribunal. I am not sure if I need to quote the legislation etc or phrase it differently


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You need to quote the criteria you think you meet. You then need to explain why you meet it and examples. Because some of the criteria you refer to, says something about help from another person, (ie, there's something about supervision / assistance when cooking) I'd also explain how a person would help. So, you said that you sometimes leave the oven on, therefore, you'd need someone to check that once you've finished cooking your meal, that you've turned the oven off.

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Thanks HB

 

Since that sticky was written I think things have changed a little in that I need to download a form from the internet , fill it in and send it off. The contents of the appeal wording however seem to be great. I will try to get something better written up over the next day or two. I know at least I can input it into the document before I print it off.

 

There is clearly an art to this that i do not have


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Where would I find the internet form please, fletch?

 

The stikky template is based on my own appeal a while back, there are others online. My OH did a lot of the work researching the DWP's rules and descriptors and using their own rules against them. I went through the Atos report on me and highlighted where it was wrong or contradicted itself and that was the basis of my appeal. I won. :)

 

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fletch, I'm a bit tied up for the next day or two but haven't forgotten my offer to help. I'm with HB that you need to expand your statement and include the actual descriptor which you feel you meet. It's almost like talking to an idiot and taking them step by step through the process, eg. this is the descriptor I meet, this is the condition/effect of the condition that causes it, this is why I need the aid/help, this is what would happen without it, this is how often. Remember the 50% rule - you must need the help more than 50% of the time, and particularly remember the 'reliably' criteria. It would help enormously if you were able to expand on why you wouldn't meet each of the reliability criteria without the help/aid.

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Thank you both so much. i am up to my eyeballs in writing an essay at the moment on the charming(but fascinating) subject of the Holocaust but I am giving myself a day off tomorrow so will work on a much more in depth letter.

 

HB I have been to tribunal before on several occasions both for myself and my late estranged wife and always won until the last one. It is of course much harder to get them to believe the person concerned than say an estranged wife. I absolutely hate it as trying to tread that fine line between explaining how it affects you and exaggerating the effect is incredibly difficult. Sometimes I think I should just make it up but I know that it is a silly idea.


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I saw this some time ago don't if the idea of the words used may help but could give you an idea


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Hi Mikey

 

I have been told, within the last year so current I imagine that even when a submission is made to tribunal the DWP can amend their decision

 

What I find incredible is that they have used the fact that there is no dietician or expert on my case, clearly that may be the case if I had a chronic eating disorder or maybe terminal illness however I am talking about cooking a meal . That will be brought up in my appeal.

 

As I said I hope to get onto it tomorrow


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What you have not been told or have queried something that is known as a substantial meal. Please check this out. The reason for this is that beans on toast is a snack and not a MEAL.


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Just thought of a really useful phrase both for the beans on toast issue and the not having specialist dietary input - they used the wrong test.


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in addition to what RMW said about noting the descriptors also from my understanding you can note how many points you got for each relevant descriptor and what you believe you should of been awarded.

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RNIB have created a toolkit on how to asnwer the PIP questions. (I will post this if anyone is interested) It seems to imply that the 4 point descriptor is the same as the cooking test for DLA. Therefore, if you can only cook beans on toast, you can't by their definition, actually cook a meal. And I would agree, it's only a snack.

 

And then there's the things like being able to repeat the task in a reliable and safe manner. I do believe there's something about if it takes you double the amount of time it would take a non-disabled person, you also score points?

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N: It would be a good idea to post the information regardless as this will crop up often..


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