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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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Hi, Just wondered if any could offer me some advice!

 

Ive received a parking notice ( I won't say fine ) from Smart parking after overstaying about half an hour in Asda car park in Llandudno.

 

 

Im aware the 'ignore' option is not the way deal with it these days,

 

 

but the whole appeals procedure seems very complicated and its a straightforward case of overstaying,

 

 

should I just pay it while its the lower £40 rate?

 

 

My only defense is that I wasn't aware it was 3 hours parking only! Im sure there must have been signs around,

 

 

but was in too much of a rush to notice. Im not from the area so I can't go and check.

 

Just wondering whether an appeal would have any chance of success

 

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Hello and welcome to CAG.

 

I think there's every chance you can defend this and the forum guys will help you. I don't claim to be an expert, please bear with us until the guys can get here and they'll pick this apart for you. Certainly don't pay money until they've looked at your case. They may need to ask you more questions.

 

My best, HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Ha yeah thats fine ! Was also wondering whether they can "up" the fine to £90 if i don't pay within a fortnight/if an appeal is pending!

 

Thanks

 

I know you've read around the forum a bit, but I think it's worth using the search box in the grey strip at the top of this screen to look for more threads on Smart Parking.

 

Have you appealed already? If not, please wait for the guys, as I said, I'm not an expert. They should be along later.

 

You're still talking about 'fines', we prefer to call them speculative invoices. :)

 

HB

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The easiest and quickest way to get this cancelled is to complain to Asda about the way they and their agents treat customers who spend money in the shop.

 

Try that first before you appeal to smart. (You have to laugh at the name.) You have 28 days to do the smart (ha ha ) appeal.

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so you've not got the letter entitled notice to keeper yet

 

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks, ill give it a try! I've been sent a PCN and not a NTK - does this make any difference ?

 

 

This is the first contact from the PPC to you, the RK. Therefore it is a Notice To Keeper.

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Have you still got your till receipt from Asda? I know they've cancelled Smart parking tickets in my home town after showing them the till receipt

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Sorry I'm a bit confused. I was under the impression a PCN and a NTK were two separate things! Can't find anything receipt wise unfortunately! It was an ANPR camera so no ticket on the actual windscreen, picture is poor though as only shows number plate and not the driver! Ive written a letter of complaint to Asda and awating a reply! Honestly don't know whether to ignore, appeal or pay and be done with it!

 

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.

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Paying this, is certainly NOT the way to go about it.

 

A ticket on the windscreen, is the notice to driver (NTD), the NTK, comes through the post

 

If you were unaware that you had a ticket on the day you returned to your car, because there was no ticket on the screen, then the only way they will contact you is to find the registered keeper, hence a missive sent through the post which will state that as the registered keeper you are liable for this invoice.

 

How did you pay for your shopping from Asda?

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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instead of hurrying off an making a rash decision

have a read of a number of the previous threads

and gain an inkling of what is normal,

what the parking companoes are supposed to do

and how they often fail to do it and more importantly,

an understanding of the terminology used to define each of the protocols.

 

A PCN is generally a parking charge notice or ticket on the car.

This is dressed up to look like a Penalty Charge Notice or PCN issued by a local authority.

 

 

It is no coincidence they look and sound alike,

the parking co's want you to think they have some authority

when they are really sending you an invoice ay best.

 

The Notice to Keeper is the general term for a demand made under paras 8 or 9 of the PoFA

and the wording is slightly different for each, as is the time limits for sending them.

 

What you have is a NTK under para 9 which means it has been sent to the keeper

because no notice to the driver was issued.

 

 

This NTK must be with you within 14 days of the event that gave rise to its issue.

They have 12 days to print it and 2 days for service.

 

 

It must contain certain information to make it valid which is why we ask about the event,

when you got the letter and what exactly it says and what other evidence they are relying on

to claim a liability such as ANPR photos.

 

So post up the details and we can pick holes in it if there are errors.

 

 

Normally the smaller companies get it wrong and Smart certainly aren't.

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