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Is there a legal requirement for supermarket aisles to be a certain width as my local co-op doesn't appear to have thought much about this issue.

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I can imagine that the only issues might be whether or not they are capable of admitting a wheelchair, although somebody else my know better.

 

I wonder whether it wouldn't be a reasonable requirement for the wheelchair to be up to turn around as well.


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you should visit my local lidl ..a bit like being on a london tube during rush hour

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I would say that as most of the larger supermarkets claim to be disabled user friendly and even provide those mobility scooter/wheelchairs then the space should be wide enough for one of those plus space for a normal shopper to pass with their trolley.

 

I suspect that these aisles seem to be much narrower over the Christmas period.

 

I would think that you might get an answer from a Health and Safety person.


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At my local co op you cant even get passed another trolly in the aisles!

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At my local co op you cant even get passed another trolly in the aisles!

 

You in London by any chance..

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Pages 5 and 6 in the document attached give the recommended space for a variety of disabilities.

 

Interesting document.

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Making access to goods and services

easier for disabled customers

 

And another.

 

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The idea that I need to wait at one end of the aisle because someone else is occupying what is already a tight area makes my shopping experience very uncomfortable..

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36" is the minimum requirement? Wow, can't say that 3 feet exactly sounds like a wide space for a supermarket aisle. You'd have to institute a one way system at that kind of width.

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Perhaps I should take a tape measure out next time I go shopping. Would I be pulled up about that I wonder..

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I find the most relevant issue for me is the likelihood of aisles being cluttered with displays etc.

Even though I practically live next door, I no longer use Aldi at all because of how cluttered and narrow the aisles are - I'm too wary of getting stuck to use wheelchair or scooter and can't stand in the ever present queues long enough to walk.

Luckily, I have two post offices within reach because the one in W H Smith is also inaccessible, being right at the back of a store crammed with displays blocking even the main aisle. Complaints regarding the lack of access are generally met with complete disinterest.

The comments in the first document shared by CitizenB regarding slopes were also interesting - I though it was just me being totally unfit that caused even the slightest slope to be pretty much unmanageable, but it seems lots of manual wheelchair users find them difficult. The pedestrian crossing outside the building where I live is a case in point - even my son can't get me up the slope at the far end so we have to brave the dropped kerb on the junction instead. Perhaps I should be speaking to the local council?


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Generally speaking this is all covered by the terms of the Equality Act and the duty to make reasonable adjustments so as to not put service users at a significant disadvantage when accessing goods or services. Basically a disabled person should be able to navigate a store as easily as a non-disabled user. Any publicly accessible building should therefore be equally accessible to disabled and able-bodied users within the confines of that disability - a wheelchair user for example should not only be able to use the service having left the wheelchair at the door. There is no specific width requirement, merely that the disabled user should be able to access without any special provisions and with the use of whatever aid is required to do so (wheelchair, walking stick etc)

 

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(a)removing the physical feature in question,

 

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©providing a reasonable means of avoiding it.

 

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(1)A failure to comply with the first, second or third requirement is a failure to comply with a duty to make reasonable adjustments.

 

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Don't forget the 6" step rule either..


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Went back in there today and you may just fit a wheelchair up this particular aisle but no other customer could pass..

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Consumer dude I live in Preston Lancashire.....The store was 'modernized' last year, isles turned 90 degrees and narrowed!

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Consumer dude I live in Preston Lancashire.....The store was 'modernized' last year, isles turned 90 degrees and narrowed!

 

Co-op as well was it ?

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you have your answer so whatever you think about the space available it will be legal

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you have your answer so whatever you think about the space available it will be legal

 

This may well be the case but it doesn't automatically make it safe..

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I have been known to 'accidentally' drag stuff off shelves as I'm passing in particularly narrow spaces - that tends to get their attention.


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I have been known to 'accidentally' drag stuff off shelves as I'm passing in particularly narrow spaces - that tends to get their attention.

 

What can they say ? If they make to much of a fuss, tell them you want to make a complaint..

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What can they say ? If they make to much of a fuss, tell them you want to make a complaint..

 

It's amazing how as soon as you may be causing damage, they are suddenly much more willing to listen to complaints about the width of their aisles!


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I have received a letter from the co-operative stating they have investigated and have been informed that they are fully compliant with the minimum width guidelines laid down by legislation.

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However takes no account of how to make shopping a pleasurable experience when trying to pass another shopper or even some one stacking shelves.

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