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SCOOP has links today to two Freedom of Information requests that feature on the very popular website: What do They Know.

 

http://www.scoop.it/t/lacef-news

 

 

It would seem that two individuals are making highly vexatious Freedom of Information requests. It is such a shame that this practice is going on as I fear that before long, the government will amend legislation so that a charge will be payable for each FOI request.

 

The first link on SCOOP is this one from an individual by the name of Wayne Pearsall regarding Removal of Implied Right of Access.

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/moj_implied_right_of_access_remo

 

He has so far made 242 Freedom of Information requests using the What do They Know site. There may well be many others as well that are made direct to the relevant authority etc.

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/wayne_pearsall

 

Typically, when he does not receive the answer that he wishes.....he requests an 'internal review'.

 

Most telling is Mr Pearsall's request dated 20th March to the Home Office entitled: 'Vexatious Correspondence and Complaints Process"

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/vexatious_correspondence_and_com_2#comment-58908

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FOI is a valuable facility that our elected members and appointed Civil Serpents would love to kill off so they can hide things they should be ashamed of or are actually a criminal issue.

 

There should be a way to bar vexatious requesters to keep things on track for the majority.


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FOI is a valuable facility that our elected members and appointed Civil Serpents would love to kill off so they can hide things they should be ashamed of or are actually a criminal issue.

 

There should be a way to bar vexatious requesters to keep things on track for the majority.

 

3 strikes you're out policy?


 

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The second SCOOP link is to this person's FOI request (entitled: Wrong Jurisdiction). His name is Pat James

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/wrong_jurisdiction

 

What a surprise to see that this FOI request concerns a Council Tax Liability Order hearing !!!

 

Mr James has so far made 164 FOI requests (link below) to various different government departments including the Metropolitan Police, the Home Office, the Ministry of Justice, Greater Manchester Police, Powys County Council, DVLA, Audit Office, Mayors Office for Policing and Crime and many others (too numerous to mention).

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/pat_james?page=1

 

This one is highly amusing. It is entitled: Registration of Birth

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/registration_of_birth#comment-65187

 

It would be a good idea if all of the different government departments that he is making Freedom of Information request to would read a copy of the following FOI request from Paul James entitled: Magna Carter and Common Law. If so, they would quickly realise that he is firmly into the Freeman on the Land ideology.

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/magna_carta_and_common_law#incoming-723010

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The second SCOOP link is to this person's FOI request (entitled: Wrong Jurisdiction). His name is Pat James

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/wrong_jurisdiction

 

What a surprise to see that this FOI request concerns a Council Tax Liability Order hearing !!!

 

Mr James has so far made 164 FOI requests (link below) to various different government departments including the Metropolitan Police, the Home Office, the Ministry of Justice, Greater Manchester Police, Powys County Council, DVLA, Audit Office, Mayors Office for Policing and Crime and many others (too numerous to mention).

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/pat_james?page=1

 

Interesting to see that another very frequent user (Enid Brighton) of the What do They Know website is following this particular Freedom of Information request of Pat James.

 

PS: What a surprise. It concerns council tax summonses for Waltham Forest Borough Council !!!

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/lawful_issue_of_summons_to_a_lia#incoming-742368

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These people have no idea about the relationship between common law and statute. I was amazed to find just how poor their understanding of what should be a simple relationship is.

 

Implied rights of entry, please......

 

I like the reply where the officer says "Please explain what you mean by implied right of access because we have nothing in our operating procedure which mentions such a thing". LOL


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In theory you can withdraw a right of access to anyone not on court or official business like a TVL goon without a search warrant, or a Yodel Courier who keeps chucking fragile parcels over your gate. But not a bailiff or HCEO.

 

But then we have discussed that one to death


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I have made some spelling and grammer errors in most of my above posts. The forum gremlins are still on overtime and this means that the edit facility locks after 10 minutes instead of 24 hours.

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I have made some spelling and grammer errors in most of my above posts. The forum gremlins are still on overtime and this means that the edit facility locks after 10 minutes instead of 24 hours.

 

You have an edit facility? I dream of an edit facility!! TB

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The edit facility has been changed to stop some posters changing their posts on the request of other posters. This is a great idea and welcomed... Now all edits have to be within this time frame or on another post. So not only will this stop straight away it means you have to think what you write before you post therefore making you look before you hit Post Quick Reply. .... Well done admin!!!!

 

To avoid spelling errors you may want to preview you post before hitting the button by hitting the preview post one instead. I have been for some time but still make the odd error but hope it goes un-noticed..

 

 

As far as the 'notices' go they will not work if the LA/LL has a safety inspection to carry out, (Council/Social Tenants in fact all tenants) namely for gas safety checks, which we all know are a legal requirement. If you fail several times to allow the check to be completed then the LA apply for an entry Warrant to carry it out. These are issued at the Magistrates Court. Often I might add..

 

 

These Warrants of entry cannot be blocked by the tenant or the 'notice'. If the tenant tries to, then the Police are called and then forced entry is done... The Police are there as usual to stop a breach of the peace. Not only that the tenant will have to pay for the damage to the doors as well. This is because of WILFUL refusal to allow unfettered entry in this case for the gas safety check...

 

 

Other reasons can be your pipes have burst and flooding a downstairs property, there are many reasons like those named above, just look for them...

 

 

Last year saw a letter floating around re: FoI requests so I assume you have all read it? If not read it here >> https://www.cfoi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/FOI-letter-to-PM.pdf and very nicely referenced as well... Your thoughts?


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Any tenant that refuses access for Gas safety checks or emergency repair/investigation is very silly indeed, and correct MM the tenant cannot have the implied access removed


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BN it has happened a few times recently in Essex and to the detriment of the tenant....


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BN it has happened a few times recently in Essex and to the detriment of the tenant....

 

As a HA board member my neck is on the block if a gas explosion occurs destroying the tenants and adjacent properties, we would not be exercising due diligence if with a point blank refusal to allow access by the tenant we don't do court to gain access due to their intransigence.

 

A tenant has a great advantage over an owner occupier as in all these safety checks are included with the rent.


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Interesting to see that another very frequent user (Enid Brighton) of the What do They Know website is following this particular Freedom of Information request of Pat James.

 

PS: What a surprise. It concerns council tax summonses for Waltham Forest Borough Council !!!

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/lawful_issue_of_summons_to_a_lia#incoming-742368

 

Keeping with the subject of vexatious Freedom of Information requests, the two requests highlighted today on SCOOP not only account for almost 400 FOI requests but far more worrying, is that most requests end up as 'reviews' which are very costly indeed for all government departments.

 

What is most alarming though is to see that in the last 3 days (I have not gone back any further than this) approx 20% of all Freedom of Information requests on the What do They Know website come from one of more of the following aliases:

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/list/successful?page=3

 

 

Neil Gilliatt

 

Rex Ole

 

Malcolm admin

 

Cyril Alfab

 

Becky Saunder

 

Dan Stevens

 

Enid Brighton

 

Arnold Layne

 

Lee Johnsone

 

Cherie Jerez

 

Hump Balustrade

 

R.Skinner

 

Emma Dale

 

Sacksen Molar

 

Enid Brighton

 

Gary Pearce

 

Stan Higgles ton

 

fFraudwATCH UK

 

Derek Prickles.

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What is most alarming though is to see that in the last 3 days (I have not gone back any further than this) approx 20% of all Freedom of Information requests on the What do They Know website come from one of more of the following aliases:

 

 

By way of evidence; the following link is to all Freedom of Information requests on the WhatdoTheyKnow website yesterday.

 

There are 25 requests per page and 20% of these are from the following:

 

 

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/list/successful?page=3

Tom Bola:
Trafford Borough Council (Summons costs)

 

Enid Brighton:
Lambeth Borough Council (Summons costs)

 

Enid Brighton:
Coventry Council re: Summons cost Liability Order

 

Faudwatch UK:
Ministry of Justice re: Tottenham Magistrates Court

 

Fraudwatch:
Legal Aid Agency

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At least the name Mr A R Sole or Mr Rabbitt hasn't been used yet. What's scary is you know the names. TBH I've done just 3 requests.. 1 for planning one for Police one for DWP.. not bad for 5 years

 

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Capita need to be subject to FOI. They have so many fingers in different pies they are corrosive to the Public Good.


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What's scary is you know the names. TBH I've done just 3 requests.. 1 for planning one for Police one for DWP.. not bad for 5 years

 

MM

 

The reason why I knew the names was mainly because of the common link to 'Outlawla' and his obssessive and vexatious Freedom of Information requests to North East Lincs Council and Humberside Police as outlined in the following thread:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?456886-North-East-Lincs-Council-Threaten-bailiffs

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Not implying anything BA I've never had the interest regarding FoI request. Obviously you know loads more than I.

 

What if they do make charges for the information it will cost them too much therefore it will fizzle out in the end..

 

There's good requests and just those that want to distact the LA'S or others...

 

Not my kettle of fish. But I may look at those of interest to me and see the results. But I won't spend hours working out whom is requesting what for what ever reason. . It's a pointless pursut of time and enrgy if it's means nothing to you..


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Any tenant that refuses access for Gas safety checks or emergency repair/investigation is very silly indeed, and correct MM the tenant cannot have the implied access removed

 

They can however legally stop access by a utility company using a Warrant based on the 1950 something Gas Act, as it does not allow forced entry beyond drilling the lock, so fitting a bolt or two means they cannot legally gain access. The utility companies are misusing legislation and purjering Courts to get the Warrant, they have no reasonable suspicion that there is a sagety issue, they want entry to fit a payment meter. The bloke in Lancashire gets pretty much all Warrant requests refused if the debtor contacts him in time for the hearing (a reason why certain companies are behaving extremely dodgily to prevent debtor going to the court hearing) because he always gets them to hire an electrcian or gas plumber to certify the meters, then show it to the court, so the court cannot issue a warrant, as the debtor has proven the meter is safe. There is a warrant to replace meters with payment ones, but it does not confer or allow forced entry, only entry with the debtors permission.

 

In some of the letters sent to the debtor, as by law they have to give the debtor a chance to attend the hearing and oppose the warrant, every date including when they will enact the warrant if granted uses British date format, but the court hearing date used american format.... its all a clerical error of course, because a system will accidently use 2 different dating formats :smile: its a well known problem, in other news pigs have started flying.


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Does FOI apply in Scotland, or do they have a different system?

 

A friend of mine is having problems with the Scottish equivalent of the environment agency who are withholding information they hold about the suitability (or not) of discharging waste into a burn which runs through her property.

 

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Does FOI apply in Scotland, or do they have a different system?

 

A friend of mine is having problems with the Scottish equivalent of the environment agency who are withholding information they hold about the suitability (or not) of discharging waste into a burn which runs through her property.

 

TB

 

The following is a good starting point.

 

http://www.gov.scot/About/Information/FOI/access#a3

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Regarding FOI.

The problem as far as i am concerned is that this may be another useful facility which currently exists but is in danger of being removed or restricted because of people who abuse it.

 

I have made three or four of these over the years and have found them very useful in a variety of areas.

The ones made to LAs are only of use IMO if you want to know how they implement procedures.

Not so much if you want the law clarifying in a particular area.

 

As has been found in requests regarding the implementation of the TCE, LAs are often late in adopting new procedures and what they do does not necessarily yet comply with the requirements of the applicable law.

 

Unfortunately the problems arise when someone thinks they understand a requirement of the law, they send an FOI not for information but hoping that it confirms their view.

When the reply comes back which disagrees, they embark on a campaign to find a LA who does, or failing that one that will phrase the answer in such a way that it can be misinterpreted .


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There are some excellent FoI requests made using this public site and there are those that are just plain barmy. The following one to the Ministry of Justice from 'Freeman in spirit Foster' is an excellent example:

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/justice_6#incoming-748238

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