HELP do I have to pay UKCPS PCN Charge????

[parkingquery]

Hello

 

I'm hoping someone will be able to help regarding 2 parking tickets I have received on residential land and whether or not I should pay them.

 

 

I was parked on double yellow lines in a residential complex visiting a friend

as many other cars were parked in the same way as the visitor car park was full so I thought that this would be acceptable.

 

 

I have done this many times before and had no issue and then received 2 tickets on separate occasions very close to one another.

Foolishly perhaps I ignored the letters from them on advice of other people but have now read that appealing may be better?

 

The reason on the ticket is 'Without a valid permit or authority' am not sure if I would have a case at all but obviously do not want to pay £250 in fines if I can avoid it.

 

Please see all the letters and a copy of the ticket attached.

 

Even though it was parked in the same place the 2nd ticket reason is 'Out of a marked bay'.

If it matters the time on the ticket is different to the time on their letter.

 

Please someone help me I've read so many threads and I'm still none the wiser!

 

Thanks in advance

[dx100uk]

fines??? they are not fines

they are speculative invoice

DYL's mean nothing on private land

purely tarmac graffiti!!

 

 

as these were September?

you are safe to ignore after all this time

next time though don't and appeal them...

[parkingquery]

Hi thanks for your help!

 

I'm a little confused as you say as the tickets were in September I am safe to ignore, is this the case even though I am still getting letters through off them?

[dx100uk]

usually if they were going to do anything they would have by now.

 

 

anyway armdillio is here and will help better than me

 

 

dx

[armadillo71]

 

anyway armdillio is here and will help better than me

 

 

dx

 

Tad later. Boiler problems!

[dx100uk]

oh god yep I had a frozen outlet pipe last week ...

 

 

dx

[armadillo71]

A quick look at signage shows that it is permit holders only. So no permit, then you are not allowed to park there. The driver can not enter into a contract for something that they are not allowed to do.... they are trespassing then.

 

And how many ' final ' letters is that?

 

The NTK is not compliant with schedule 4 of the POFA either.

 

Schedule 4 of the POFA only allows for the keeper to be liable for what the NTD states aswell.

[parkingquery]

Out of the 4 letters, 1 has said final before court proceedings and another final before debt recovery.

 

Sorry but what is NTD?

 

Thank you so much for your help!

[parkingquery]

ooo notice to driver!

 

What would you suggest I do?

[Bazooka Boo]

Ignore.

[ericsbrother]

firstly, the signage refers to cars only being parked in a certain manner. As you arent allowed to park that is trespass and nothing to do with UKPCS so no breach of contract.

Secindly, their NTK is not PoFA compliant so no keeper liability, all of their subsequent letters are just waste paper and mention add-ons that are not legally enforceable even if the origianl debt was real. That wont help their cause if they do fancy trying their luck at court but they would lose a defended claim anyway.

Usual UKPCS errors.

I would just ignore anything from them or anyone else that is not a proper Letter Before Action under the Civil Procedures Regs and as they are a company that LBA should state the same