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    • I understand that the item was correctly declared but the value was under declared. When you enter into any kind of contract, there has to be in agreement as to exactly what is being exchange for what. You agree to pay a certain amount of money for the delivery. They agreed in return for that to carry out the delivery safely – but they also agreed to shoulder a certain level of risk based on your own valuation. This means that the value that you gave for the chair is what they reasonably expected to be the extent of their risk in the event that the item was lost or damaged – or stolen. I'm afraid that by undervaluing it, our view is that you would be unlikely to recover anything more. There is never any advantage in declaring and undervalue. It effectively gives a gift to the service provider because when something goes wrong then that becomes the extend their liability. If you want to try and sue for the proper value then we will be happy to help you but I don't rate your chances. If you want to sue for the undervalue then I think your chances are extremely high. The item was lost – it wasn't damaged. Even if it was damaged, there was no particular suggestion that not being flat packed in some way contributed to the risk of damage but certainly it is impossible to conceive how being flat packed or not flat packed would affect the risk of the chair been lost. In fact in my view, because the item was a large item one would imagine that it would be more difficult to lose it. If you want to continue with this claim either for the full value of the undervalue then we will be happy to support you. Please make sure you've done the reading. I can tell that you've done some reading but I'm afraid the fact that you don't appear to have appreciated the consequence of an undervaluation suggest to me that you haven't read very thoroughly. I think it is important to make sure that you understand the principles of claiming for failed parcel deliveries completely. It will put you in control. It will give you confidence. There is no downside. Do the reading. Post a draft documents here so we can check before you send them off.
    • Incidentally, and for anybody else who visit this thread and in case there is any confusion as to the relationship between the consumer rights act and your contractual rights under the common law: the consumer rights act confers rights on the consumer and obligations on the trader. The consumer rights act does not create obligations for the consumer. The consumer and is at complete liberty to rely on their rights under the 2015 act if they prefer they can simply rely on their rights under the existing common law of contract – which is the alternative route which I have suggested to you. This route would be clean – surgical – and of course Currys probably won't even understand it because they probably rely on a load of paralegal drones in probably the same way that the parcel delivery industry does as well. So if you want some fun, send the warning to Currys. By the replacement laptop elsewhere and then sue Currys for the reimbursement. They won't like it. They will spend many hundreds of pounds more than the cost of reimbursing you in trying to defend the case – and then eventually they will lose. If you decide to do any of this then post the draft letter so that we can have a look. I suggest you don't do anything without checking with us first of all
    • First of all, to go over your rights under the consumer rights act – if a defect manifests itself within the first 30 days you have an unfettered right to reject and demand a refund. If a defect manifests itself within the first six months then you have a right to reject subject to their entitlement to attempt a single repair. If they declined to repair or if the repair fails then you can demand a refund. Second thing is that on the basis of what you say above, you bought a laptop computer for 300 quid and you seem to be saying that because they are going to take a month to repair it you have offered to buy a second laptop for £300. This seems extraordinary so please will you clarify. I understand that the only sticking point is that the laptop they want to sell you would be at £330 and not the £300 which was the cost of your first laptop. What on earth are you proposing to do with two laptops – one of them broken – which presumably it eventually would be repaired? Thirdly, apart from your rights under the consumer rights act, you have rights under the general law of contract – the Common Law. If you have purchased an item which has broken down so thoroughly that you are effectively deprived of substantially the entire benefit of the contract then it can be said that the seller has committed a "fundamental breach" of their contractual obligations towards you. You are then entitled to treat the contract as "repudiated" which means that you can treat the contract as being at an end and then claim all your money back. Of course you've decided to purchase something with Currys. The problem is with Currys is that all of the competition has brought the evaporated. These to be Dixons, Comet, – no doubt many others – and they have all disappeared or have been subsumed into Currys. Separately there are even used to be Currys and PC World. Now they have amalgamated there is no competition so they don't care a damn about you. Why should they? There is a company called QVC. They seem to have an excellent track record. I don't know how their prices compare and maybe they are slightly more expensive but they seem to have remarkable customer service and customer returns policy. I would suggest that in future you look around at them and these to compare the prices. So we would like an explanation please of the mystery of your readiness to spend more money on a second computer. Presumably it means that you need a computer fairly urgently. In that case I would suggest that you write a letter to Currys. Tell them that time is of the essence. That you need the laptop repaired within seven days or else you will accept the fundamental breach of contract and accept their repudiation of the contract and go ahead and sue them for a complete refund plus any ancillary losses – such as the cost of any software that you might have installed or even the cost of any data which might now be on that laptop and which is no longer accessible to you. Once again you are dealing with Currys – so they will either ignore you or simply refuse – so during the seven days you would start looking around for an alternative supplier of the laptop that you need. It must be equivalent in model, make, the power – et cetera nearest equivalent in price. You would then set about purchasing that laptop from an alternative supplier having given a few days notice to Currys that this is what you are doing and then you would sue Currys for reimbursement. This would mean that even Princess if you went to QVC and you found that there nearest equivalent model was, say, £350 – you would sue Currys for the £350. Obviously £300 would be the cost of the damage laptop but in addition to that, the extra £50 would cover the reasonable cost of replacing the broken laptop on a like-for-like basis. In law terms you might describe this as your "expectation loss" in that you expected accomplishing that expectation.
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

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      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.


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I am a blue badge holder and our car was parked in a private retail car park (free for all customers).



A PCN was posted on the windscreen as being parked in a disabled bay without displaying the badge.


AS this topic seems to be a bit of a minefield and having got no further in my decision of how to deal with this

despite reading up on the subject for days,

I was hoping that someone here would be able to help.


As I understand it

I need to wait for the NtK before proceeding

but also I have read that I should appeal within the first 14 days.


I do intend to appeal so would appreciate some confirmation of when and how to do that.


Thanks in advance

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yes bay marking are purely tarmac graffiti.



await the letter.




please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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This is a clash between the provisions of facilities under the Equalities Act and undoubtedly requirements of the planning permission

and the contract you enter into by parking.



Fortunately the EA holds sway so there is no real prospect of a parking co ever winning a calim in court

but unfortunately yiou are stuck waititng for things to creak into action.



As it was a ticket on the screen the advice to wait for the NTK is the best thing

as they parking co may not bother and if it does send out that notice it will have cost the company money to do so

and started the next stage of the procedures to claim keeper liability.



The notice must contain certain information and often they parking cos get that wrong due to laziness or ignorance

(I prefer the former as undoubtedly many people pay up and they never admit they get it wrong when proven they are).



This must arrive between 29 and 56 days ater the date of the event



when you get it you appeal as the keeper as that is how you are addressed.

Tell us when you do get this and we will advise what to do and say next.


The advice about appealing within 14 days is well meant but flawed because ultimately you arent going to apy at the discounted rate

when you are not culpable and the IPC/IAS,



who seem to have a fixation about this dont have a better scheme than the law

so can only look silly when they try and invoke this as a reason for dismissing appeals.

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Usual UKCPS behaviour, they often go quiet when challenged as it saves them money so they are probably saving money by not even bothering sending out a NTK.

However, they may well sell on your details to a DCA if they obtained them from the DVLA but often they rely on you just paying up rather than making a fuss.

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This means that the PPC is out of time under POFA to hold the registered keeper (RK) liable. When you do receive the notice to keeper (NTK) you need to respond and state that the NTK is out of time according to POFA and there is no RK liability. Keep it simple and don't elaborate, never reveal you know who the driver was.

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As EB says, if they try to employ a powerless DCA to send you nasty letters do not be concerned, the only response a DCA should ever receive is 'any alleged debt is denied, refer back to your client' Never speak to a DCA, everything in writing only. Once you have told them that, any effort to doorstep you or call you on the phone should be reported to the FOC

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