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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
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Hi Ericsbrother, here is the letter from Gladstones.

 

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well, it is and it isnt,

however it would probably be accepted as a lba

but a solicitor really should include all of the information regarding the debt

but they dont because that would ruin things for them.

 

You should respond by saying that the debt is denied in its entirety

on the grounds that PCM have no authority to make such a claim in their own name

as the land is railway land

any infringement would be of railway byelaws, not a contract with an uninterested body.

 

 

Secondly the vehicle was not parked but stationary in traffic

so notwithstanding the above there has been no breach or cause of action anyway.

 

 

As PCM have been made aware of this any action by them would be vexatious

and so a full costs order will be sought should your clients be stupid enough to actually make a claim.

 

Also demand sight of their contract with the landowner under CPR 31.15,

to be furnished within 7 days of the service of this letter as it is believed that CPM have no locus standi.

 

lastly say that you elect to take the matter to Ombudsman Services Ltd for arbitration

as an ADR should their client insist on continuation.

 

Gladstones are desperate to look big on behalf of their IPC clients

as the parking co's are not collecting the money as a result of the IPC appeals system

because no-one take them seriously

 

 

Likewise not using their their rotten ADR will get up their nose.

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Thanks for this info Ericsbrother.

Firstly do I request all the information regarding the debt.

 

Secondly, I am not sure still who owns the road, they have large letters now saying "PRIVATE ROAD" across the road.

New signs have now been added recently too.

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the point is they dont own the road and therefore they must be able to produce proof of the right to be there with the landowner.

 

 

Generally they are signed up by an agent

and they dont have the right to make such a contract with the parking co so no contract worth a bean.

 

 

Asking for sight of their right to make a claim against you as a pre action protocol is normal

as if such a contract exists you may well just cough up and avoid the nastiness.

 

 

If Gladdys refuse to play ball then they will look stupid when they ahve to answer questions on this in court

after you ahve made such a cost saving overture.

 

 

However they also ralise that the contract is probably duff

so dont want it shown to the world as the parking co will then lose a claim

and they will lose face with their membership for chasing another doomed claim

at considerable expense to their client.

 

I hope you photographed the previous and new signs.

 

 

If you didnt they may well just say they were there all along.

 

 

Not known to stick to the facts these people.

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I got the County Court Claim form this evening.

Not much space to write a defence.

 

One thing bothering us is the statement.

Registration of judgments: if the claim results in a judgment order against you, it will result in difficulty getting credit.

Does this mean if I lose I go straight on a register?

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that is a proper N1 and the only niggle is they ahve said their claim is for £150 for parking and indemnity costs whenteh clai should be for just whatever the origonal contractual charge was so they are trying it on fro the beginning and making the assumption you will now cave in and pay.

Tick the box saying you are defending in full, you dont need a detailed defence at the moment, just make a couple of bullet points such as

1. the claimaint has no locus standi as the land is either a public highway or railawy land subject to byelaws which were not breached.

2. the defendants vehicle was not parked so there has been no breach of any contract even if it is found that the claimant has a contract with the landowner that assigns the right to enter into contracts with the public.

You can go into much greater detail whne you have to exchange documents at a time ordered by the court.

Gladstones are the IPC so they are trying to show they are the big boys in the parking cowboy world. They lose the defended claims at a great cost to their clients and this will be another company who will wish they hadnt embarked on this venture with them.

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now to really screw them ask the local council planning dept if PCM have planning permission for their signs under the Town and Country Planning Act. No PP, and they committing a criminal offence and you cannot be party to a compact with criminality, even if you wanted to.

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Tuesday 12th they aim to do the inspection by.

I did a search and could find no planning for signs on that road for over 3 yrs.

now to really screw them ask the local council planning dept if PCM have planning permission for their signs under the Town and Country Planning Act. No PP, and they committing a criminal offence and you cannot be party to a compact with criminality, even if you wanted to.
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ASK the council and get an email response if possible so you have some hard evidence of criminality. Generaly PP for signs that are of less than 0.3m2 are a nod through so wont always pop up on the planning portal, especially as most councils are only uploading recent stuff.

If you get the evidence then when the cowboys have paid the allocation fee write to the court and ask for teh clai to be dismissed do to their criminality and demand a full costs order.

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station approach is railway land.

 

 

As such it is outside the provisions of the PoFA as it will be covered by its own byelaws so the claim by PCM will fail for this reason unless the judge is mislead by someone (often happens).

 

 

HOWEVER, the parking co still need planning permission for their signage and that is not mentioned in this planning application so you need to ASK the council whether PCM have planning consent for their signs.

 

Same point applies. no planning consent and the company is committing a criminal act.

They will always try and claim that it is deemed consent under a different part of the Act but that is not true, the deemed consent is only for informational signs like "fire exit-do not obstruct" and bus stops, the railway station name plate etc not adverts for unilateral contracts.

 

Read the thread on here about the Mansfield retail park and Parking Eye and then use that information to beat the council into submission and get them to admit that planning permission is needed and ideally get them doing something about it.

 

At east you will be able to write another letter of discovery under CPR 31.14 to PCM and demend to see their planning consent and if they cannot produce it you will be able to quote chapter and verse about the criminality of not having it and thus no contract.

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Hi ericsbrother,

 

Hope you are able to get some relaxation as it is a weekend.

As for the CPR 31.14, can I give PCM a deadline for this information?

Also do I request the info to show that it covers the date of the PCN?

 

Thanks,

 

Jimbo

Ok, so station approach is railway land. As such it is outside the provisions of the PoFA as it will be covered by its own byelaws so the claim by PCM will fail for this reason unless the judge is mislead by someone (often happens). HOWEVER, the parking co still need planning permission for their signage and that is not mentioned in this planning application so you need to ASK the council whether PCM have planning consent for their signs.

Same point applies. no planning consent and the company is committing a criminal act. They will always try and claim that it is deemed consent under a different part of the Act but that is not true, the deemed consent is only for informational signs like "fire exit-do not obstruct" and bus stops, the railway station name plate etc not adverts for unilateral contracts.

Read the thread on here about the Mansfield retail park and Parking Eye and then use that information to beat the council into submission and get them to admit that planning permission is needed and ideally get them doing something about it.

At east you will be able to write another letter of discovery under CPR 31.14 to PCM and demend to see their planning consent and if they cannot produce it you will be able to quote chapter and verse about the criminality of not having it and thus no contract.

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as for demanding to see if it covers the date of your PCN, pointless as they wont have applied for it in the interim and then tried to backdate the document or they will need a toothbrush when they turn up for your hearing.

They are mostly lazy and thick so they are unlikely to have the PP.

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I am a little confused please help.

 

If you do not file an application within 14 days of the date of filing this acknowledgement of service, it will be assumed that you accept the court's jurisdiction and judgement may be entered against you.

 

What does this mean, do I have to do two applications?

 

Thanks,

 

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Hi Ericsbrother, there seems to be no place to add the bullet points for the defence on the acknowledgement.

Do I add to a separate sheet, or just send Acknowledgement of Service back to give me more time?

that is a proper N1 and the only niggle is they ahve said their claim is for £150 for parking and indemnity costs whenteh clai should be for just whatever the origonal contractual charge was so they are trying it on fro the beginning and making the assumption you will now cave in and pay.

Tick the box saying you are defending in full, you dont need a detailed defence at the moment, just make a couple of bullet points such as

1. the claimaint has no locus standi as the land is either a public highway or railawy land subject to byelaws which were not breached.

2. the defendants vehicle was not parked so there has been no breach of any contract even if it is found that the claimant has a contract with the landowner that assigns the right to enter into contracts with the public.

You can go into much greater detail whne you have to exchange documents at a time ordered by the court.

Gladstones are the IPC so they are trying to show they are the big boys in the parking cowboy world. They lose the defended claims at a great cost to their clients and this will be another company who will wish they hadnt embarked on this venture with them.

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If you are doing the paper form there is a small box that is for outlining your defence. You can send in a separate defence after sending the AOS back but within the next fortnight after the date the AOS has to be back by.

I would send your skeleton defence as an attached letter with the claim number on the top and send a copy to the PCM solicitors so they know that you arent going to just fall over and pay up.. BTW it is railway land and not a public highway but make sure you hammer home the point about planning permission under S30 f the Town and Country Planning Act in your separate CPR 31.14 copied to court so may as well use the same envelope.

After the relevant deadline has passed you will get an allocation questionnaire, where you tell them what dates you arent availabe and what court you want the hearing at. It will be your local county court unless you want another court used because for example, you are disabled and access issues would mean travelling somewhere else.

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