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Please explain why a factual reference about Hitler is offensive

All I stated was that he was an excellent speaker

 

AS for being crass calling farage xenophobic , well I am not sure how else to view it when he says the EU was set up to 'contain Germany' and his references to immigrants. My belief , based of past and current speeches by Farage is that he is a racist bigot (or at least professes to be one to appeal to some parts of the electorate). He is also a fraud as he tries to play the part of the 'ordinary working man' who in fact came from Public School and worked in the city, one of thatchers children.

 

What does going to a public school have to do with anything I was lucky enough to have a public school education, and I am and always have been a " an ordinary working man"!

 

I 've read some of your hard left daft theories no doubt it seems your incredibly wealthy labour leader comrade corbyn is always playing the part " of an ordinary working man". There is on good point though corbyn has made labour totally unelectable for the foreseeable future.

 

You are very fond of accusing people of being racist/ homophobic if they dare disagree with your weird theories.

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Now now, have a debate without it being personal.

 

Farage is a politician, so he has to take these comments as fair game. UKIP does attract support from some they would prefer not to. As was proved with the documentary before the election, which revealed that UKIP has openly racist activists working for them. Occasionally UKIP does remove these people, when they become media stories.

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Once again you spectacularly fail to actually answer the questions I posed and majority of comments I made.

 

As for your assertion about Labour being unelectable, well we will have to wait until 2020 to find that out and I for one do not claim to have a crystal ball however I would take little notice of the opinion polls that appear for several reasons.

As is well known and to quote a phrase 'If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything '

As many people do not vote, can we reconcile the people polled with actually voting patterns

 

Sadly we do not live in a real democracy as can be seen by the statistics from every election, certainly in my life time all governments, including the huge labour and conservative majorities we have seen have achieved that on roughly 33% of the electorate and much less than 50% of the actual vote cast.

 

Unlike many of the establishment I am more than happy to have a form of PR that will give the likes of UKIP representation in parliament, as i said before, trhe system used for the Scotish elections seems suitable , ironically, considering it would give UKIP more seats , often referred to as the German System

 

It seems you have little understanding of my 'daft' theories , nice to see an open mind. My political views do not sit comfortably with a powerful ruling class that we have now -of whatever party

 

If people are racist comments , or homophobic or sexist comments then I will pass comment although some people get rather sensitive and believe that if I say the people they support are racist that makes them racist. It does not , it just means that , maybe , they have not investigated that person enough

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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Now now, have a debate without it being personal.

 

Farage is a politician, so he has to take these comments as fair game. UKIP does attract support from some they would prefer not to. As was proved with the documentary before the election, which revealed that UKIP has openly racist activists working for them. Occasionally UKIP does remove these people, when they become media stories.

 

While I agree it is good that UKIP expel people when the nedia exposes them I am convinced that there are many more in place

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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I think if you dig deep enough you will find racist/bigots in all the parties. Just that some of them keep their own counsel !

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I think if you dig deep enough you will find racist/bigots in all the parties. Just that some of them keep their own counsel !

 

That is true. UKIP have actually done the country a service, as the racists who might have been attracted to BNP, may have backed UKIP instead. Since UKIP have grown in strength, support for BNP has reduced. If you look at the rise in far right wing parties in Europe, they are much more worrying than UKIP.

 

Today the net migration stats shows a record number of 336,000 and the OBR has stated that population increases has increased government revenues, therefore allowing austerity to be relaxed. This makes the case that immigration is actually good for the UK, as increased GDP income will enable the debt to be reduced quicker, than just cutting spending.

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A number of people feel the same way as you barnowl, its just that a lot more feel differently - else his party would have more than 1 UK parliamentary mp (who often differs from Farages extreme views) - and he would be one himself..

 

Feeling differently doesn't mean they are right.

 

Bit of a silly analogy there. If speeches is what determines the amount of seats one gets in parliament, Churchill would have been in power until his dying day.

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I think if you dig deep enough you will find racist/bigots in all the parties. Just that some of them keep their own counsel !

 

I am absolutely sure that you are right there

 

That is true. UKIP have actually done the country a service, as the racists who might have been attracted to BNP, may have backed UKIP instead. Since UKIP have grown in strength, support for BNP has reduced. If you look at the rise in far right wing parties in Europe, they are much more worrying than UKIP.

 

Today the net migration stats shows a record number of 336,000 and the OBR has stated that population increases has increased government revenues, therefore allowing austerity to be relaxed. This makes the case that immigration is actually good for the UK, as increased GDP income will enable the debt to be reduced quicker, than just cutting spending.

 

Austerity relaxed? When , where?

 

The problem (from where I am sitting) is that too many people support UKIP although I am not sure how, combining UKIP with BNP is good. I am also not that sure if UKIP are really any different from any of the far right parties.

 

Feeling differently doesn't mean they are right.

 

Bit of a silly analogy there. If speeches is what determines the amount of seats one gets in parliament, Churchill would have been in power until his dying day.

 

the AMS system that I believe is fairer can often need a minimum % of the vote to gain a seat. What it does mean is a fairer system of representation, less wasted votes , which may lead to greater participation by the electorate and hopefully a more truly representative picture of what people believe in, for example if you live in one of the safe seats , there can often be little incentive to vote if your vote is against the incumbent. It also means that parties will need to campaign nationally , for example the Greens only received 3.8% of the vote but did not stand in all areas

 

Much as it pains me to say it, UKIP would have won many more seats , I think with the AMS system it would have been about 40 seats based on the 2015 share of the vote although voting patterns may have been very different.

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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