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    • I've just seen your new post. A letter before action is the same as a letter of claim. You don't need a template. You simply need to inform the garage that the vehicle you bought has developed X defect, Y defect, Z defect. He has already been informed of them and given an opportunity to repair and he has either refused the chance to repair or else he has attempted the repair and it has failed – whichever is the case and so under the consumer rights act you are asserting your right to reject the vehicle and you want him to make the appropriate arrangements to collect the vehicle and to refund you the purchase price – plus any associated losses – and if he does not do so within 14 days then you will sue him in the County Court and without any further notice. Don't make this threat if you're not serious about going ahead with it. On day 15 issue the papers. In the intervening 14 days register with money claim and start preparing your particulars of claim. You can post them here if you want us to check them. Whatever you do, on day 15 you send them the good news
    • Well done Shelley. I'll amend your thread title.   HB
    • I'm afraid that your story is rather overlong. It would have been easier to understand it all if there had been less of a narrative and more of a bullet pointed chronology of facts. Although you informed the dealer within 30 days that there was a problem, the Consumer Rights Act requires that there be a clear and unambiguous assertion of your short-term right to reject the vehicle. It doesn't appear to me that you have done this. This isn't a problem at all because you are still well within six months. I understand that you have given them an opportunity to repair and that you have now rejected the vehicle. This is enough to trigger your rights under the Consumer Rights Act as long as the defects which you are complaining about are sufficient to render the vehicle as less than satisfactory quality. As I say, I haven't read through the detail of your story and I certainly haven't looked at all of the PDFs that you have apparently uploaded but I get the impression that you have been quite meticulous in keeping records. I've looked at the Google reviews of Elite and I have to say it doesn't bode very well. https://www.google.com/search?q=Elite+Preowned+Vehicles&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB822GB822&oq=Elite+Preowned+Vehicles&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2j69i60j69i61l2.575j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#lrd=0x47d8aa4f43f644d7:0x8e93221101489523,1,,,  There is no trust pilot page for them as yet. Maybe you would like to attend to that. You say that the dealer is fond of using social media so that kind of thing is important. Site team member@dx100uk has already suggested that you issue a letter of claim and that certainly seems the way to go although if you are driven to actually mount a claim and presented in court that I hope you won't mind me suggesting that you need to stop being a little bit more economical about the way you present your case. Just in case there is any debate over the defects which have been discovered and their significance then if you haven't done this already, you should make sure that you have got assessments and even quotations for the work from independent garages.
    • Hello dx100uk. Thanks for your attention and help with this. You had an even later night than me! I clicked on the 'letter before action' link which you kindly gave me. This took me to BankFodder's post 'Small Claims actions in the County Court FAQ - work in progress' which I have read through and also the 'Pre-Action Protocol' and 'Letter of Claim' links. I couldn't find reference to a Letter Before Action or is this the same as a Letter Of Claim? Also, my rejection letter already mentioned a 14 day period (taking us to 05/08/2019) for him to get back to me. Is it ok to send a Letter Before Action now? I only ask as I wouldn't want this to be viewed dimly by the court if it goes that far. I do understand that I need to take action as soon as possible so these are just a few clarification questions. I shall google for some Letter Before Action Templates and put something together. Thanks again.
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I can not answer that question.

Oh go on then let's have a bash.

I started vaping to hopefully do less damage to myself and wean myself off cigs.

However I suppose being addicted to nicotine is strong,that strong I cannot see myself coming off the ecig.

Perhaps the Welsh have decided if possible we want people nowhere near nicotine and so you shall not vape.We will break that habit of nicotine in public places.And strangly enough if there is a ban somewhere it is amazing how you cope.No vaping in a gym no problem i find.The nicotine kick is so strong if I did not have one I would be back on the cigs in a flash.Sad but true.

And looking in the mirror one day I nearly passed out.My back half of my tongue had turned brown.Thought I had the plague.

Hit google so fast to find out what I had.

Turns out I have Vapers Tongue- ugh.

Check it out

This post is coming from a no smoking no drinking house.

But one hell of a vaping den.

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I have no problem if people wish to vape on their own property, the same as smoking real ciggs but do not do it in my presence and spoil my enjoyment in the public arena

 

It is bad enough trying to get into the pub front doors for a meal which you can cut with a knife the fag smoke, without encouraging this side habit

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Lol, that's a funny article.

 

I especially like the bit where it says he burned his lungs, but not his mouth/tongue/throat/trachea. That's some selective nicotine he's got there.

 

The story of the other guy where it blew a hole through his palette was funny too. I assume it went right through his palette, through his brain, out the other side of his head and it currently on its way to mars.

 

But the best bit is where it says nicotine use leads to cocaine abuse, but only in ex-smokers who vape, not in people who get their nicotine via a cancer stick, or a patch.

 

There is a word i'm trying to think of, I think it might start with BULL and end in SH$T.

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Lol, that's a funny article.

 

...... That's some selective nicotine he's got there.

 

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it must've been chinese covert bio slow release nico :)


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The potential forthcoming EU directive...

'....There are too many petty regulations contained in the Tobacco Products Directive (TPD) to list here. Suffice to say it will lead to most of the e-cigarettes on the British market being withdrawn from sale....'

https://health.spectator.co.uk/the-eus-attack-on-e-cigarettes-will-bring-a-golden-age-of-vaping-to-an-end/


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re Wales' proposed e cig ban

'The National Assembly for Wales's Petitions Committee was officially presented with a petition today calling upon the Welsh Government not to proceed with their proposed ban on the use of e-cigarettes in enclosed public spaces, substantially enclosed public places, and places of work in Wales. ....'

http://www.assembly.wales/en/newhome/pages/newsitem.aspx?itemid=1338&assembly=4


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'E-cigarettes are used by millions in the UK, but information about them is sometimes conflicting. So what is the current evidence on them?...' the guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/science/sifting-the-evidence/2015/oct/23/e-cigarettes-a-consumer-led-revolution

 

further to that link #7 re possible EU directive on ecigs, Farage enjoys a vape (hopefully it wasnt a duff burning one :)) at an ecig shop

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/heavy-smoker-nigel-farage-tries-10322476


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the 'war' continues :)

 

'Using e-cigarettes is related to problematic drinking, according to new research published in Addictive Behaviors.....The results suggest that using e-cigarettes to quit smoking could mean people miss out on the benefits of quitting; smoking cessation generally results in people drinking less alcohol, but using e-cigarettes means this decrease may not happen....'

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20151029/New-research-shows-that-using-e-cigarettes-related-to-problematic-drinking.aspx


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worried about just 'burning liquid' (#4), see this. again be careful what ecig you use; :)

 

'A 21-year-old Florida man has been placed in a medically induced coma after an electronic cigarette blew up in his face........'The mouthpiece went, when the cigarette exploded, it went down his throat and exploded again,' she said.....'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3292585/Evan-Spahlinger-coma-e-cigarette-exploded-face.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

also;

'Doctors say e-cigarettes should be banned for under 21s....'

http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/26/e-cigs-should-be-banned-for-under-21s-say-doctors-5463391/


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'Travellers will no longer be able to pack e-cigarettes in their hold luggage when flying.

A new air safety rule, which will be implemented on November 6, means both passengers and crew flying to, within and from the U.S. are banned from bringing the devices on any aircraft in a checked bag - due to fears that they may cause a fire in the hold.

Shisha pens, e-pipes, personal vaporizers, and electronic nicotine delivery systems, are also prohibited...The new rule, which will still allow passengers to bring e-cigarettes onto an aircraft in hand luggage, also bans the charging of the devices and their batteries on board the aircraft.'

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3300401/E-cigarettes-BANNED-checked-luggage-flights-new-rules-prevent-flight-fires.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490


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'The body for UK's e-cigarette players brings in a healthcare lobbyist (Peter Cuthbertson) to argue its case as national parliaments adopt new European legislation...The new laws regarding e-cigarettes are set to come into force on 20 May 2016, and Beckett said the industry was concerned about noises from the Welsh Parliament that it could ban their use in public places and from the Scottish Parliament about restricting how the products can be advertised...Cuthbertson said: “People confuse e-cigarettes, which are an alternative for people who have a nicotine craving, far too much with cigarettes, and there’s a danger of them being treated the same. We need to make our case at a political level.” He called the directive “a piece of bad legislation” and said UK e-cigarette businesses could be hit financially by an overly stringent product testing requirements....'

https://www.publicaffairsnews.com/articles/news/e-cigs-trade-association-hires-peter-cuthbertson-influence-national-legislation


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in the US,

'A group of three vapers has filed a multimillion-dollar class action lawsuit for false advertising against a US company that makes flavored liquids for e-cigarettes....'

edit; link removed, maybe spammy. apologies.

 

whilst research there suggests it aids quitting normal cigs. '....The research informs an ongoing debate as to whether e-cigarettes are effective aids for smoking cessation, promote uptake by non-tobacco users, discourage cessation via dual use of cigarettes and e-cigarettes, or encourage relapse to cigarette use among former smokers....'

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20151117/New-analysis-points-to-use-of-e-cigarettes-as-quitting-aid-among-US-adults.aspx

 

and, the Huff reports on a uk teenager survey 'One in five 14-17 year olds have tried e-cigarettes before - according to BMC Public Health, a peer reviewed medical journal that surveyed 16,193 teenagers across the UK. Currently, there is a disparity among health groups and news outlets over the issue of whether e-cigarettes are a valid tool to quit smoking...With a rising number of teenagers across the globe turning to e-cigarettes, government health groups such as Public Health England (PHE) are beginning to see e-cigarettes as a less harmful alternative to smoking. However, anti-tobacco groups such as British Lung Foundation (BLF) are hesitant to support the usage of e-cigarettes in fear of it becoming a gateway stimulus to smoking tobacco....'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/noah-eckstein/ecigarette-usage-rises_b_8577064.html


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From your second link:

 

Among their key takeaways: e-cigarettes do not appear to attract young adults, non-smokers or promote relapse among longer-term former smokers.
The finding that daily e-cigarette use is less common among 18-24 year olds and never smokers is good news.
That sounds like good news but I doubt it will quell the fear mongers.

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good points there cf. that uk survey.

 

some technical info that has been reported on as ecigs being just as, if not more, harmful than normal cigs re cancer (wont post the reporting link as unfamiliar, but heres their linked source(published awhile ago))

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069

 

whilst,

'Lincolnshire shop owners selling e-cigarettes and vape liquid have been warned not to sell to people under 18. The warning comes after an undercover test by Lincolnshire Trading Standards revealed 11 out of 20 retailers sold the products to an underage person. Officers tested supermarkets, Vape shops, petrol stations and newsagents in Lincoln and North Hykeham...Retailers that are caught selling the products to under 18s face fines of up to £2,500....' http://www.lincolnshireecho.co.uk/half-Lincolnshire-shops-sell-vape-liquids-18s/story-28200252-detail/story.html


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'A Colorado college student is in a critical condition in hospital after the electronic cigarette he was smoking exploded in his face. Cordero Caples broke his neck and several bones in his face, lost his front tooth and burned his mouth when the device exploded in Colorado Springs on Friday....The 29 year old was due to undergo spinal surgery on Sunday, Fox 13 reported. The e-cigarette was reportedly made by Kangertech...'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3330468/College-student-shatters-vertebrae-loses-teeth-suffers-facial-fractures-e-cigarette-exploded-mouth.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

a hybrid e/normal cig? 'One of the world's biggest tobacco firms is to launch a new 'hybrid' cigarette next week in a bid to reverse dwindling sales. British American Tobacco is to trial a new type of cigarette that combines e-cigarette technology and tobacco...'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3330238/The-iFuse-hybrid-cigarette-combines-e-cig-technology-tobacco-improve-flavour-vapour.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 


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Wales

 

'An inquiry has failed to decide whether the National Assembly should ban e-cigarettes in enclosed public places....The health and social care committee report revealed a split broadly down party lines, with Labour AMs backing a ban in the face of opposition from the Welsh Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats’ Kirsty Williams....'

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/inquiry-fails-decide-whether-national-10527206


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other news

 

'A MAN faces months of medical treatment and possible skin graft surgery after his e-cigarette battery exploded like a firework in his pocket....'

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Devon-man-need-skin-graft-e-cigarette-exploded/story-28248012-detail/story.html

 

'SCHOOL children are using e-cigarettes as a gateway to smoking, according to a new study, led by Edinburgh *University.The research also found that most high school students find the fruity, sweet-like flavourings of e-cigarette liquids attractive. It was suggested that some pupils use e-cigarettes to hoodwink parents, who would otherwise smell tobacco on their clothes. Others told researchers that they had seen fellow pupils selling and smoking e-cigarettes in class...'

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/health/e-cigarettes-lead-pupils-to-smoking-1-3959182


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'Quitting smoking in the new year? You’ll soon be able to get e-cigarettes on the NHS – but ssshhhhhhh, don’t spread it it around. The government wants to keep it on the DL so that doctors aren’t overrun by raging nicotine addicts. Last month the NHS licensed e-Voke, which means doctors will be able to offer it on prescription. But a Whitehall source said they ‘didn’t want to make a song and dance about it because GPs would be overrun by people demanding it,’ the Sunday People reported.....'

http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/06/you-can-get-e-cigs-on-the-nhs-but-the-government-tried-to-keep-it-a-secret-5548153/


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wales

 

proposed 'public places' ban 'climbdown'

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?456795-Climb-down-on-e-cigarettes-ban-plans%281-Viewing%29-nbs

 

(oops, i've been hijacking newsbot' info re ecigs. i'll defer :) )

 

whilst

'A toxic chemical that is linked to a type of lung disease has been found in flavoured e-cigarettes. Diacetyl, thought to cause a disease known as “popcorn lung”, or bronchiolitis obliterans, was found in more than 75 per cent of flavoured e-cigarettes and refill liquids in a study by Harvard University. The disease was dubbed popcorn lung because it was first seen in workers who inhaled artificial butter flavour in microwave popcorn processing plants. Diacteyl is used as a butter substitute in flavours like cotton candy and cupcake and is thought to be safe when eaten, but could have harmful effects when inhaled, according to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration in the US...'

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/chemical-linked-popcorn-lung-disease-115958750.html


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'Scotland's largest health board is to (now) allow the use of electronic cigarettes within its hospital grounds...NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde has said it will do so, after new evidence that they help tackle tobacco smoking........Dr Emilia Crighton, NHS GGC's director of public health, said: "It is clear from research carried out by Public Health England, ourselves and others, that e-cigarettes do have their place in the fight against tobacco and are being used effectively to help people stop smoking altogether. "In NHS GGC we have carried out our own research which has revealed that some 32% of smokers in our health board area intend to use e-cigarettes in their next quit attempt and that 18% of recent ex-smokers used them to help give up tobacco in the past 12 months"........'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35102530

 

whilst

the Dutch say that ecigs are 'more harmful than expected', and ban them for u18's...

 

'....the government said that studies carried out by the Dutch food safety and public health institutes had shown that e-cigarettes were "more harmful than expected" to users' health.....'

(reuters) http://www.trust.org/item/20151211162437-geb1k/


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'E-cigarettes cannot be advertised in magazines, newspapers, on TV and on radio, from May 2016, the Department of Health (DH) announced today....across the European Union (EU) it will be illegal for e-cigarettes and re-fill containers to be commercially advertised or promoted, directly or indirectly, if the draft bill is passed....'

http://www.nursinginpractice.com/article/e-cigarette-adverts-be-made-illegal-eu


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ecigs get a 'fatwa'!

'Malaysia's National Fatwa Council has issued a fatwa declaring the use of electronic cigarettes as 'haram' or forbidden for Muslims. The decision was reached after a special council meeting held on 21 December........'

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysian-muslim-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-e-cigarettes-1534427

 

and

'The electronic cigarette industry has welcomed prime minister David Cameron’s comments that e-cigarettes are a “legitimate path” for improving the health of the nation.....'

http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/buying-and-supplying/health/david-cameron-e-cigs-legitimate-path-to-health-improvement/529520.article?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=rss

 

whilst

'Rugby MP Mark Pawsey says he did nothing wrong when praising the e-cigarette industry during Prime Minister’s Questions - after a vaping company paid for him to attend a Rugby World Cup game....Mr Pawsey enjoyed a hospitality package during the Rugby World Cup in September and the £1,600 bill was paid for by Japan Tobacco International (JTI). JTI is the owner of E-Lites, one of the leading brands of e-cigarette in the UK..........'

 

http://www.rugbyadvertiser.co.uk/news/local-news/rugby-mp-praises-e-cigarette-industry-in-parliament-after-company-pays-for-his-world-cup-day-out-1-7129490


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