Migrant crisis - solutions ?

[Guest]

there was that audio clip (5live) where one woman was saying ''just take her children to germany or another safe country''!

is hungary, turkey, or the like not safe?

[citizenB]

there was that audio clip (5live) where one woman was saying ''just take her children to germany or another safe country''!

is hungary, turkey, or the like not safe?

 

Those two countries don't have the same type Human Rights protections or benefit schemes !

[tobyjugg2]

there was that audio clip (5live) where one woman was saying ''just take her children to germany or another safe country''!

is hungary, turkey, or the like not safe?

 

A great many of them came from or through Turkey - a NATO member.

(who is actually bombing its own citizens - Kurds)

[snowdragon]

[Conniff]

I received the following in an email supposedly found on Facebook. A lot of sense in it.

 

Syria has had a civil war for almost 5 YEARS. Why all the "refugees" NOW and why so all of a SUDDEN and why in such VAST NUMBERS?

With an Honors degree in History and as a lifelong student of the subject, I smell a rat.

 

This is a highly organized, well oiled, mobilized invasion of Muslims and Jihadists into the Western World. It's been in their plan for a long time. Momar Gadhafi predicted and explicitly stated that Muslim domination of Europe would happen without a conventional war and he said it 30 years ago. 95% of these economic "refugees" many who have cellphones are men between the fighting ages of 20 and 40. Very few women and children from everything I've seen.

 

Odd that he 5 wealthiest Arab States including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait are taking "no refugees" thanks and feel quite self righteous about it. No guilt what so ever? They are even laughing at us for doing so.

 

Ask yourself, why would Germany, Belgium, Holland, France, Sweden and others want to destroy their own cultures from within? It doesn't make any sense? If this keeps up Europe will be burning daily within a very short few years if not months. Civil war in the streets between civilizations. Muslims vs Kafirs, that is to say, everyone who is not a Muslim.

Unfortunately, the reality is that Muslims are just not like any other immigrants. They don't want to assimilate, they want to set up separate enclaves and implement Sharia Law. Another problem is that while the civilized West rightly abhors violence, conversely Muslims daily display their love of violence. They live it and embrace it. In many Muslim countries public beheadings and stoning to death for adultery for example. It's a part of their culture precisely because Islam is, dare I say it, a death cult.

 

Islam is a supremacist, totalitarian, bigoted, fascist political ideology masquerading as a religion. It literally means "submission". The Quran MANDATES death for blasphemy, for adultery, for apostasy, for family honor, for being gay, Jewish or a Kafer as well as ten other "crimes" many not even considered to be so in the West. Death for drinking alcohol or taking illegal drugs for example.

 

Why let in vast numbers of these brainwashed people especially men of that age when past experience has already demonstrated the tragedy, not to mention the financial, social, and political costs of rampant multiculturalism in Europe. Ordinary citizens are against this immigration but strangely, their governments are not?

Someone or some organization is pulling some strings here is what I see. Is this invasion part of the New World Order's plan to depopulate the planet? Maybe there's not even any such an organization but it's all over U-tube and other social media.

 

The major media are implicit in selling gullible citizens of the West the righteousness of the "refugees" cause and openly siding against Western culture. One drowned child's picture in the right places sparks outrage and sympathy world wide for the movement and resettlement of vast numbers of Muslims.

 

However the implementation of Sharia Law, No Go Zone ghettos in most countries in Europe and Muslim rape gangs go unreported. In radical Islamist countries honor killings, beheadings, stonings, cutting off limbs, whipping and torture, pedophilia, child bride marriages, rape and misogyny go unreported DAILY and are dismissed as culturally ingrained.

Where is the indignity and the outrage over people doing this every day to their own populations? Yet a staged picture a drowned baby on a beach sparks a world outcry?

 

Muslim birthrates are 8 children per family while Europeans average 1.4. When these current millions bring in their multiple wives, children and extended families 85% of whom live on state benefits (England's experience) you can multiply their number by at least 10x, maybe 20x or even more.

By 2050 Europe will be Muslim dominated just by demographics alone. When their numbers are sufficient they will legally vote in their own kind and then Sharia Law.

 

 

Europe as we know it will be lost forever. Two thousand years of civilization will be destroyed by the same fanatical bearded, bigoted, brutal, boneheaded, belligerent bastards who are now slaughtering their own kind and blowing up ancient and irreplaceable world heritage buildings, monuments, books, manuscripts and other historically significant art treasures in Iraq, Syria and other conquered territories.

[Queens_king]

Apart from the Balkan countries the rest of the European Dictatorship leaders are spineless. This should have been stopped at Greece with the help f the rest of Europe using international law. They were safe in Turkey. As the UK is not part of the Shengen fiasco they should have closed the borders, stuff Junker and his ideal ology. If the Dictatorship didn't like e it then what would they Do? Throw the UK out of the Dictatorship?

 

Any Syrian application aged 18 to 55 should be automatically refused and sent back to fight for thier country

 

All economic migrants automatically refused and deported. If no papers to return to country of origin put them on a boat and anchor it outside of British Waters until thier papers arrive to deport

 

Thankfully I am no longer a resident in the UK and I fear for my homelands future

[SabreSheep]

During World War 2, this country housed many refugees, from France, Poland and other defeated countries. Those refugees fought often with their lives to defend this country especially during the Battle For Britain.

 

I think we need to be thinking long and hard before using such wide reaching stereotyping

[tobyjugg2]

The simple starting point here should be:

There is a process for seeking asylum.

All illegal migrants who have not followed the proper process, should be immediately repatriated/refused entry.

 

Everything else should build from that.

[citizenB]

During World War 2, this country housed many refugees, from France, Poland and other defeated countries. Those refugees fought often with their lives to defend this country especially during the Battle For Britain.

 

I think we need to be thinking long and hard before using such wide reaching stereotyping

 

We did indeed, however there is a vast difference between those refugees during last World War and those coming from Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc. Some young men interviewed on their safe landing on European beaches have openly admitted they are fleeing not from the violence itself, but because they don't want to fight for their own countries !

 

They are well aware that by disposing of any passport or identity paperwork they will cause no end of problems for administrative purposes and the host nations will not be able to check. Did you see how those that landed on one of the British Forces airbases (in Cyprus I think) have caused chaos because their applications are taking too long to process - they haven't been there 5 minutes and have set fire to the temporary housing and gone on hunger strike. Strangely enough, most of them were young men !!

[BarnOwl1]

I received the following in an email supposedly found on Facebook. A lot of sense in it.

 

Syria has had a civil war for almost 5 YEARS. Why all the "refugees" NOW and why so all of a SUDDEN and why in such VAST NUMBERS?

With an Honors degree in History and as a lifelong student of the subject, I smell a rat.

 

This is a highly organized, well oiled, mobilized invasion of Muslims and Jihadists into the Western World. It's been in their plan for a long time. Momar Gadhafi predicted and explicitly stated that Muslim domination of Europe would happen without a conventional war and he said it 30 years ago. 95% of these economic "refugees" many who have cellphones are men between the fighting ages of 20 and 40. Very few women and children from everything I've seen.

 

Odd that he 5 wealthiest Arab States including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait are taking "no refugees" thanks and feel quite self righteous about it. No guilt what so ever? They are even laughing at us for doing so.

 

Ask yourself, why would Germany, Belgium, Holland, France, Sweden and others want to destroy their own cultures from within? It doesn't make any sense? If this keeps up Europe will be burning daily within a very short few years if not months. Civil war in the streets between civilizations. Muslims vs Kafirs, that is to say, everyone who is not a Muslim.

Unfortunately, the reality is that Muslims are just not like any other immigrants. They don't want to assimilate, they want to set up separate enclaves and implement Sharia Law. Another problem is that while the civilized West rightly abhors violence, conversely Muslims daily display their love of violence. They live it and embrace it. In many Muslim countries public beheadings and stoning to death for adultery for example. It's a part of their culture precisely because Islam is, dare I say it, a death cult.

 

Islam is a supremacist, totalitarian, bigoted, fascist political ideology masquerading as a religion. It literally means "submission". The Quran MANDATES death for blasphemy, for adultery, for apostasy, for family honor, for being gay, Jewish or a Kafer as well as ten other "crimes" many not even considered to be so in the West. Death for drinking alcohol or taking illegal drugs for example.

 

Why let in vast numbers of these brainwashed people especially men of that age when past experience has already demonstrated the tragedy, not to mention the financial, social, and political costs of rampant multiculturalism in Europe. Ordinary citizens are against this immigration but strangely, their governments are not?

Someone or some organization is pulling some strings here is what I see. Is this invasion part of the New World Order's plan to depopulate the planet? Maybe there's not even any such an organization but it's all over U-tube and other social media.

 

The major media are implicit in selling gullible citizens of the West the righteousness of the "refugees" cause and openly siding against Western culture. One drowned child's picture in the right places sparks outrage and sympathy world wide for the movement and resettlement of vast numbers of Muslims.

 

However the implementation of Sharia Law, No Go Zone ghettos in most countries in Europe and Muslim rape gangs go unreported. In radical Islamist countries honor killings, beheadings, stonings, cutting off limbs, whipping and torture, pedophilia, child bride marriages, rape and misogyny go unreported DAILY and are dismissed as culturally ingrained.

Where is the indignity and the outrage over people doing this every day to their own populations? Yet a staged picture a drowned baby on a beach sparks a world outcry?

 

Muslim birthrates are 8 children per family while Europeans average 1.4. When these current millions bring in their multiple wives, children and extended families 85% of whom live on state benefits (England's experience) you can multiply their number by at least 10x, maybe 20x or even more.

By 2050 Europe will be Muslim dominated just by demographics alone. When their numbers are sufficient they will legally vote in their own kind and then Sharia Law.

 

 

Europe as we know it will be lost forever. Two thousand years of civilization will be destroyed by the same fanatical bearded, bigoted, brutal, boneheaded, belligerent bastards who are now slaughtering their own kind and blowing up ancient and irreplaceable world heritage buildings, monuments, books, manuscripts and other historically significant art treasures in Iraq, Syria and other conquered territories.

 

An incredibly clear and correct analysis of the situation it's plain to see the young " men" posing as refugees designer clothes, expensive phones even on group seen with thousands of euros paying a huge amount for a taxi to " freedom".

 

The simple fact is none of the alleged refugees can be trusted Europe must take punitive action otherwise Islam's vow to rule the world will become fact.

 

A reasoned view and made from experience of fighting terrorist.

[tobyjugg2]

Ignoring the rampant stereotyping bigotry, here's a slightly different take on the refugee claims:

 

Its already been pointed out that many of the 'refugees 'fleeing Assad and Syria would seem to be quite wealthy, often single males, with expensive clothes, latest mobiles, and thousands of euros to spend,

 

Seems to me they were doing quite well wherever they came from. Would you want to give up a place that supplied all that despite the length of the conflict?

 

Are they terrororists funded by terrorism?

Are they parts of the Syrian/Libyan/etc establishment who were well off right up to the day they left?

 

I dont know - but I see a lot of people there who are hardly folk who have picked up their children and what they can carry -

- and rushed away from immediate threat to them and their families.

[BarnOwl1]

Ignoring the rampant stereotyping bigotry, he's a slightly different take on the refugee claims:

 

Its already been pointed out that many of the 'refugees 'fleeing Assad and Syria would seem to be quite wealthy, often single males, with expensive clothes, latest mobiles, and thousands of euros to spend,

 

Seems to me they were doing quite well wherever they came from. Would you want to give up a place that supplied all that despite the length of the conflict?

 

Are they terrororists funded by terrorism?

Are they parts of the Syrian/Libyan/etc establishment who were well off right up to the day they left?

 

I dont know - but I see a lot of people there who are hardly folk who have picked up their children and what they can carry -

- and rushed away from immediate threat to them and their families.

 

Funded and equipped by oil rich arab nations which are refusing to take refugees, probably because they don't want fanatics on their doorstep.

 

Have to agree with Coniff the current exodus of young muslim males is an organised invasion of Europe with one fixed target / ambition to have islam and inhumane sharia law imposed on the West.

No more "refugees" should be brought to the UK, no more benefits, no more free housing no more mosques, in any terrorist attack on UK soil shoot to kill,

no mercy!!

[tobyjugg2]

Funded and equipped by oil rich arab nations which are refusing to take refugees, probably because they don't want fanatics on their doorstep.

 

Partially in that the other arab states are paying to shunt them off elsewhere.

 

There will also be some real current radicals and many future radicals included amongst them, as displaced and ostracised people often become.

 

but I think many of these gangs of single males may be the criminal traffickers and black marketeers who are now hoping to continue their business from europe - from all over Africa, the Balkans and the middle east.

[neil6534]

agreed...also any migrant that has commited a criminal offence from whatever country they are from, should not be let into this country, and if they are charged with a criminal offence over here, again they should be sent home not allowed to return

The simple starting point here should be:

There is a process for seeking asylum.

All illegal migrants who have not followed the proper process, should be immediately repatriated/refused entry.

 

Everything else should build from that.

[Guest]

Germany's view (and they call the shots )

'After announcing that Germany would not place limits on the number of asylum-seekers it accepts, German Chancellor Angela Merkel is now considering a quota system ('capitulation'). The turnaround wasn't her choice.....The Chancellery's plan calls for the EU would accept a generous number of refugees who are currently in Turkey -- in the range of 300,000 to 500,000 people a year. In return, Turkey would have to pledge to stop allowing refugees there -- those who are not part of the ocntigent -- to head for Europe. According to the German Interior Ministry, the EU would intercept refugee boats in the Aegean Sea and return the migrants back to Turkey. If a refugee did manage to reach Germany despite the precaution, he or she could apply for asylum. But the quota solution only makes sense if Europe's external borders so tightly controlled that hardly anyone can get through. Article 16a of the German constitution would essentially be suspended.

In return, the borders within Europe could remain open. This is important to Merkel. She has said repeatedly that she is determined to save the Schengen system of border-free travel within the EU. The price would be to largely seal off the EU external border. The unpleasant scenes Merkel is determined to avoid at the German border would then unfold on the very fringes of Europe instead...'

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/angela-merkel-changes-her-stance-on-refugee-limits-a-1063773.html#ref=rss

[Guest]

the Pope steps in and takes 12 migrants to the vatican!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36063300

 

since the eu 'deal' re Greece, migrants now going to Italy?

[Consumer dude]

Plenty of room in the big council house at the end of the Mall..

[unclebulgaria67]

When you read of natural disasters, you realise that an event can happen to cause sudden migration.

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1680011/almost-250000-evacuated-after-japan-quakes

 

Is the UK equipped to deal with a sudden event ? With the cuts to UK armed forces, lack of housing etc, i think the UK would struggle to deal with a major event. The UK is not known to have an earthquake issue, but there could be a series of weather events, where there is serious flooding causing damage to infrastructure. Given the cuts to public sector budgets, i don't think UK services would be in a position to help people quickly.