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There has been advice given that the Schedule 12 procedures, which limit the exemption on trade goods to £1350 does not apply to County Court Warrants

This is completely incorrect, The TCE and Schedule 12 procedure applies to all enforcement action.

 

The assertion relies on this:

 

In this case the section of the County courts Act :

89

[F1(a)any of that person’s goods except–

(i)such tools, books, vehicles and other items of equipment as are necessary to that person for use personally by him in his employment, business or vocation;

 

Was repealed by Schedule 13 of the TCE : "72 Omit sections 89 to 91"

 

The TCE applies to all county court enforcement in all areas of course.


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Don't forget the £1,350 value....

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Yes of course section 4 TCOG regs :)


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There has been advice given that the Schedule 12 procedures, which limit the exemption on trade goods to £1350 does not apply to County Court Warrants. This is completely incorrect, The TCE and Schedule 12 procedure applies to all enforcement action.

 

The assertion relies on this:

 

In this case the section of the County courts Act :

89

[F1(a)any of that person’s goods except–

(i)such tools, books, vehicles and other items of equipment as are necessary to that person for use personally by him in his employment, business or vocation;

 

Was repealed by Schedule 13 of the TCE : "72 Omit sections 89 to 91"

 

 

I came across this nonsense earlier this week on the Facebook site and it is sadly a reflection of the way in which individuals are desperately searching for yet more and more 'loopholes' in order to disrupt enforcement. There is a certain degree of 'debt avoidance' but it is actually more sinister than that as this point is becoming clearer to me on a daily basis given the overwhelming number of enquiries (rarely complaints) that we are receiving.

 

The fact is that many more people are being sucked into the Freeman on the Land ideology and its anti 'establishment' ideas and Justice Rook in his stunning judgment (Mead v Mead) summed this up perfectly well. As you will see below, he reserves his criticism on the Guru's (his own words) who sell the ideas and he quotes Dante's Inferno:

 

"Evil counsellors*– those who used their position to advise others to engage in fraud, and “the falsifiers” – alchemists, counterfeiters, perjurers, and imposters, into the inner canyons of the
Eighth circle of Hell.

 

Persons who purposefully promote and teach
proven ineffective techniques
that purport to defeat valid state and court authority, and circumvent social obligations, appear to fall into those two categories.

 

That they do so, and
for profit
at the expense of naive and vulnerable customers, is worse"

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Justice Rook suggests that anyone considering taking 'advice' from these 'Guru's should first consider the following:

 

 

Why do those gurus not go to court themselves, if they are so certain of their knowledge? If they say they have been to court, ask them for the proceeding file number, and see if their account is accurate. Those are public records.

 

 

Can that Guru identify even one reported court decision where their techniques proved successful? If not, why then are all successes a tale of an unnamed person, who knew someone who saw that kind of event occur?

 

 

Will your advisors promise to indemnify you, when you apply the techniques they claim are foolproof? If not, why?

 

He summed up by saying this:

 

You cannot identify one instance where a court has rolled over and behaved as told. Not one. Your spells, when cast, fail.

 

 

http://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2012/09/30/freemen-of-the-land-are-parasites-peddling-pseudolegal-nonsense-canadian-judge-fights-back/

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I was hesitant about posting this on here, because of the forum policy TBH.

But the person was being advised to litigate on the strength of this, so I had to bring it up to protect future posters.

 

The desperately sad thing about this particular post, is that when i last looked he was enquiring how he could enter into a telephone consultation with the adviser at a cost of £35

How anyone can be connected with such a forum and consider themselves as helping debtors continues to defeat me.


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The latest version of the never ended saga regarding misinterpretation of the regulations goes that only goods over the 1350 ceiling are available for seizure, in other words if the EA is going to take trade goods he must leave 1350's worth behind.

 

Yes I know.


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The latest version of the never ended saga regarding misinterpretation of the regulations goes that only goods over the 1350 ceiling are available for seizure, in other words if the EA is going to take trade goods he must leave 1350's worth behind.

 

As many on here know, this week yet another debtor has lost a court case after (wrongly) believing that a particular website is a law firm run by a lawyer. So far from the truth....

 

Justice Rook's words from the Mead v Mead judgment could not be truer:

 

 

Why do those gurus not go to court themselves, if they are so certain of their knowledge? If they say they have been to court, ask them for the proceeding file number, and see if their account is accurate.

 

 

Can that Guru identify even one reported court decision where their techniques proved successful? If not, why then are all successes a tale of an unnamed person, who knew someone who saw that kind of event occur?

 

 

Will your advisors promise to indemnify you, when you apply the techniques they claim are foolproof? If not, why?

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Yes it is true.

This is exacerbated on forums which are a "closed shop" as far as advice and opinion is concerned. On here if someone comes on and gives duff advice or is obviously just trying to make a fast few quid with some daft idea, others quickly pick up on it and they are made to explain themselves, and ultimately are exposed. In effect it is self regulating.

On that particular forum dissenting voices are banned, so they say what they like. This means that innocent people who fall on the forum are subject to silly advice about paying the council direct,"proceeds" or fees not having to be paid and no one is there to say, hang on a minute this is nonsense. It really is a dangerous situation.


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And yes people are excluded form this forum. But not for their opinions, they are excluded for disrespectful and insulting behaviour , some people cannot help themselves, and even keep up the same personal attacks on whatever last chance saloon forum will put up with them. It only goes to prove the point.


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And yes people are excluded form this forum. But not for their opinions, they are excluded for disrespectful and insulting behaviour , some people cannot help themselves, and even keep up the same personal attacks on whatever last chance saloon forum will put up with them. It only goes to prove the point.

 

It must be said, on the particular site in question there is one poster who does offer good advice and can be seen as the 'voice of reason' on Council Tax matters.he is the only credible asset of the site

 

As already said , last Monday saw yet another debtor lose a Court case following the advice given by the 'Guru' of the site, this debtor is now facing costs of several thousand pounds. Even more alarming was the fact, the 'voice of reason' attempted to bring the entire scenario out into the open and made several extremely important open posts on the subject. That the site responded by taking the matter behind closed doors refusing to answer further questions enforces the dangers the public face to being exposed to a man who IMHO is nothing short of a con man.

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As already said , last Monday saw yet another debtor lose a Court case following the advice given by the 'Guru' of the site, this debtor is now facing costs of several thousand pounds. Even more alarming was the fact, the 'voice of reason' attempted to bring the entire scenario out into the open and made several extremely important open posts on the subject. That the site responded by taking the matter behind closed doors.

 

This will be exposed but most importantly, before the site removed all reference to this further court failure, the person who calls himself a 'lawyer' stated openly that he would no longer have any involvement in injunctions. He said the very same only a short while ago (18th May to be precise) when yet another debtor (ORI) lost his case and was found liable for significant legal fees after they had used this 'lawyers' services.

 

Today, the website is still displaying the same page about injunctions and the services offered by the Guru.

 

PS: We are going off topic so it is best to wait for details to be posted up about this case.

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Think you've got the wrong debtor there BA!

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Think you've got the wrong debtor there BA!

 

Thank you !!! My error I'm afraid. Amendment made.

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Thank you !!! My error I'm afraid. Amendment made.

 

Easily done with there being so many of these cases over the last few weeks!!!!

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