shoplifting primark scotland| Police called, **UPDATE Clean CRB Clean visa check**

[labrat]

oh and dont be surprised if RLP contact you and claim youve breached some law by showing "private and confidential" letters to the forum

 

theres no law youve broken they just like to intimidate people

[afteradvice1]

Thank you Labrat, I actually thought of that which is why I deleted the initial upload

 

I've been contacted again today. I had been considering replying with mitigating factors based on how the events of the day happened and the security men's contradictions. However, today's letter clearly states they don't have to take it into consideration.

 

How many more of these letters do I have to look forward to. I take it, they will only become more aggressive from now.

 

Thank you all for keeping me sane.

[dx100uk]

they get red in colour - a scary sight

 

 

then you'll get silly letters from a no powers DCA.

 

 

they ARE NOT BAILIFFS

 

 

dx

[dx100uk]

lets just fill in a few blanks here:

 

 

there is no crime - the police were not involved

 

 

civil claim - their 'clients' never do got to court. - so there is no 'claim' at all

 

 

RLP have been told numerous times to not quote ACPO - they want nowt to do with RLP.

 

 

there is no need to 'defend' yourself by a defence - theres no claim and never will be

 

 

likewise on settling 'the claim'

 

 

and they don't have a credit licence so cant accept instalments.

 

 

dx

[afteradvice1]

lets just fill in a few blanks here:

 

 

there is no crime - the police were not involved

 

 

dx, the police were called, and something about a verbal / street caution was mentioned, I wasn't taken in to the station and I didn't sign anything though.

[dx100uk]

exactly.

 

 

end of the matter

 

 

dx

[Guest]

lets just fill in a few blanks here:

 

 

there is no crime - the police were not involved

 

 

dx, the police were called, and something about a verbal / street caution was mentioned, I wasn't taken in to the station and I didn't sign anything though.

 

 

have you had anything in the post from the 5O re a warning? if not, then that seems its end?

[afteradvice1]

 

 

have you had anything in the post from the 5O re a warning? if not, then that seems its end?

 

No, I haven't. Does the absence of this mean the police have decided to take no further action?

 

I plan to request a SAR so I can know what exactly is on my record.

[Bazooka Boo]

You're reading far too much into this,

 

Seriously, just learn from it and move on, you can ignore RLP in their entirety, there is NOTHING they can or will do.

 

The police have taken no further action in the matter, the only thing that will be on your 'record' is that they were called to attend a shoplifting offence, you were advised and given a street caution, and that is the end of the matter.

 

I wouldn't even waste £10 to get that, forget it learn from it and move on.

 

RLP are powerless to do anything.

[Guest]

No, I haven't. Does the absence of this mean the police have decided to take no further action?

 

def seems so, its been awhile.

[labrat]

well got an out of office reply from RLP's solicitor and that was it....

 

dont worry i didnt refer to you at all just asked for general statement on the CAB's advice of ignore

[Guest]

well got an out of office reply from RLP's solicitor and that was it....

 

dont worry i didnt refer to you at all just asked for general statement on the CAB's advice of ignore

 

??

[afteradvice1]

Hi guys, I have just gotten a mail in the post from the procurator fiscal.

 

The summary is that I've been offered a diversion from prosecution.

 

"The circumstances of the offence, however, suggests that instead of being prosecuted you might benefit from some assistance from the Social work department..."

 

Can anyone who is familiar with this please let me know the implications of this and how it works? Does this constitute a criminal record?

 

TIA.

[Guest]

Hi guys, I have just gotten a mail in the post from the procurator fiscal.

 

The summary is that I've been offered a diversion from prosecution.

 

"The circumstances of the offence, however, suggests that instead of being prosecuted you might benefit from some assistance from the Social work department..."

 

Can anyone who is familiar with this please let me know the implications of this and how it works? Does this constitute a criminal record?

 

TIA.

 

eg https://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/about/departments/AberdeenshireDiversionfromProsecutionProcess-25.03.pdf

[silverfox1961]

Having just read the document supplied by Ford, I feel this option should be made available to the whole UK, not just Scotland. By actively partaking in the course(s) that are offered and completing them, it will give you a greater insight into your actions and no criminal conviction which would have made it harder for you to get work in the future.

 

There are other benefits too. Anyone else who has been referred to diversion for shoplifting can be directed to CAG to show just how much power RLP have. Of course this matter is separate to what RLP may imply but in my opinion, an excellent option for you.

[Guest]

it is interesting info silverfox

elsewhere they have things like reprimands/warnings and the Youth Offending Team. but not quite the same.

thats what i was getting at before re asking if anything had been received in the post. the 'street' situation wasnt made too clear, and OP saying they said 'if accept guilty...no prosecution' seemed to mean that they were going to report the matter, rather than arresting and taking in, subject to accepting something further (thought maybe a warning) rather than prosecution.

am not too familiar with scots process though

[afteradvice1]

Thanks for your help guys.

Sorry I'm just coming back. I haven't heard anything from social work.

I've done a lot of research on this and I've also sought advice.

 

Apparently the diversion thing is to keep cases that are not in public interest out of court

and aimed at young offenders, females and people who have never had problems with the police.

 

I will be taking up the "assistance from social work" as its a way to get help.

 

Expecting the next letter from RLP ( the least of my worries now).

I would like to know if not paying the fees would affect my credit rating once their debt collectors are involved.

Edited June 3, 2015 by afteradvice1

[dx100uk]

they are not fees

they are not fines

they are not a debt

 

 

hence can never go on your credit file.

 

 

ignore anything to do with RLP

 

 

end off.

 

 

go enjoy your life

 

 

if you need to participate in the assistance from social work

then do so

 

 

dx

[Guest]

.......

 

Apparently the diversion thing is to keep cases that are not in public interest out of court

and aimed at young offenders, females and people who have never had problems with the police.

 

I will be taking up the "assistance from social work" as its a way to get help.

 

.

 

good luck.

presume you also saw the link in post #39

[afteradvice1]

Thank you dx and Ford.

Yes I saw the link upthread.

 

I'll keep posting whatever RLP gifts me with.

 

I'm sure a few people will find it useful as I've found other posts.

[afteradvice1]

Hi guys,

I'm happy to say the diversion program is over and no further action was taken.

 

The social worker was great. We had a long chat and I was very honest with her. She recommended the case be closed after 1 visit , and asked my health visitor to help with my post natal depression.

Things are looking up now and I'm happy.

 

I just have one question. Since the casehas been NFAd, will I still need to declare it on forms and will it come up in criminal checks? I hope to go back to work in a few months and I'm a bit apprehensive about this knowing how competitive the job market is.

 

RLP have sent a.Couple of letters, one reducing the amount they want Me to pay and the other saying they were recommending primarily to forward to a debt collector.

Ive ignored all their letters to date.

 

Thanks for your help. I shall be making a donation.

 

Sorry for typos. Typing with a wriggling baby in one hand.

[Bazooka Boo]

RLP and any powerless debt collector can be ignored entirely, the ONLY way they are able to get money out of you, is "IF" they (RLP)

are foolish enough to entertain court, which they won't because they know the judge will laugh at them.

 

As for the caution, if it was a simple caution, which I suspect it was, they become spent immediately and therefore do not need to be disclosed under the rehab of offenders act, UNLESS, it is for an occupation which is an exception to that act, like working with children.

 

It will come up on both standard and enhanced DBS checks, but will not flag up on a basic check.

http://hub.unlock.org.uk/knowledgebase/simple-caution/

[afteradvice1]

Thanks Bazooka, I never got a caution. I thought I did, but what the officer meant was the caution statement when the read me my rights.

[Bazooka Boo]

That's OK then, if you never physically signed a caution, then all they did was read you your rights.

[afteradvice1]

I did not. So will this still come up in a check?