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Hi,

Bit of a long shot here. One of my neighbours was taken quite ill the other day and it doesn't look good. He will (hopefully) be 95 this year.

 

He is very secretive about his time in the second World War but I have been informed he was at the Normandy Landings.

 

Does anyone know how to find out what regiment he was in and his service record. Should he die, I would like to organise a military escort or something similar.

 

Thanks in advance.


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Held by the MOD

 

https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records

 

If you want to get hold of it quicker, think you have to see if you can find an MOD telephone number for enquiries and if they can tell you the regiment, there may be a way of doing it. There will be veterans groups who may have quick access.


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I can't use the MOD as I am not a next of kin however, I will try the veterans groups


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silverfox Go to the website Forces War Records,they only require His Name and in this case 1939/45 war

 

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silverfox Go to the website Forces War Records,they only require His Name and in this case 1939/45 war

 

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From what I have seen for records that relate to WW2, you can only access them via the MOD. They have not been provided fully to online databases such as FWR, because the numbers are vast and it would take a very long time for it to be done.


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I'm a member of a certain well known family history site and they only have records for anyone killed in the 2nd WW or prisoners of war. Service records wouldn't be available due to privacy issues as the people involved may still be alive as in this case - I think it's usually 100 years before they're released.

From what I've read, the only people who can get access are the service personnel themselves, someone else with their permission, or their next of kin if they've died.

The veterans group is likely to be your best bet, but try to give them as much information as you can. Even something as basic as where he's from originally could be a clue as to which regiment is the most likely.

 

Just realised, it may be less than 100 years before service records are released as they do have those for the 1st World War.

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Is your neighbour a member of the local British Legion? Maybe worth a visit see if any members know more.

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Thanks for everyones input. It is greatly appreciated. Looks like I will have a word with his immediate family to see if they can do more. From what I have been told, my neighbours prospects are not good but if he does survive this, I will try and get him to open up a bit. He is such a private person and doesn't like to share.


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give honeybee a shout she's magic with this stuff.

 

 

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an old friend of ours got all my living relatives WWII records.

 

 

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Hi,

Bit of a long shot here. One of my neighbours was taken quite ill the other day and it doesn't look good. He will (hopefully) be 95 this year.

 

He is very secretive about his time in the second World War but I have been informed he was at the Normandy Landings.

 

Does anyone know how to find out what regiment he was in and his service record. Should he die, I would like to organise a military escort or something similar.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

I wouldn't go digging. Many survivors were secretive, for their own reasons, and if he went without choice...? He may not want to have anything to do with the military and put the horrors behind him. My Dad won't speak about his own father that was in WWII.. but we gather that he was gassed during it and committed suicide on his return. They are heroes but still the trauma goes on and to this day my Dad won't talk about him. Although we always promise to remember them, some things are best forgotten and not bought to the fore if someone is reluctant.

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A previous post mentions info is only given to a relative, which as far as I know that is correct. DX wanted info for a relative. My brother has been compiling info for our father and when he made the original request they do want a very close relative i.e children and the info is only given once. I don't think these rules have changed but not sure. Obviously, in all walks of life where there's a will there's a way etc and in response to the thoughts in the previous post, as you say i.e chemical tests on military personnel, prisoners of war, some of the reasons why info for war vets should only be given to family, as these delicate situations are for the family to know first.

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Hi

 

Have a check in your local area for a Royal British Legion or Help for Heroes and have a wee chat with them.

 

Do they have any Medals? (if so have a look their details may be on them)

 

Also try just typing his name and Normandy Landings into a search engine you never know.

 

On the Normandy Landings side have a read of this: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?440978-French-Government-award-Legion-d%92Honneur-to-all-surviving-veterans-of-D-Day


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Since starting this thread, HoneyBee has been brilliant in getting more information.

 

I now know his middle initial and his date of wedding (1942) and the date of his wifes death (1970) I have not been able to find any medal records in his name but I have located about 10 names of which one is a definite possibility but doesn't give any regiment details. find my past and ancestry have been very useful and I have also looked at Forces War Records and I just need to whittle down the relevant names to find one.

 

Strangely, National Archives have not been very useful at all


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Since starting this thread, HoneyBee has been brilliant in getting more information.

 

I now know his middle initial and his date of wedding (1942) and the date of his wifes death (1970) I have not been able to find any medal records in his name but I have located about 10 names of which one is a definite possibility but doesn't give any regiment details. find my past and ancestry have been very useful and I have also looked at Forces War Records and I just need to whittle down the relevant names to find one.

 

Strangely, National Archives have not been very useful at all

If you knew where is was living when he joined up, you might be able to contact the nearest veterans association or the Royal British Legion. They may have records of regiments that signed up people from that area.

 

My Dad did his national service just after the war and it was a bit different then. Because he was an engineer by trade, he was signed up to logistics. He served out in Germany helping to protect no mans land areas, when parts of Germany were split into areas to help secure and develop them, so they could return to normal.

 

Unfortunately it is easier to find out information about people who have died. One of my Uncles details are online, as he died in an RAF crash towards the end of the war. There is even a picture of his grave and where it is, because it is looked after by the war graves commission.


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The main branches are in Norwich and Great Yarmouth (about 25 miles from me) however there is a 'local' branch which is only 14 miles away so I will contact them so see what they can offer.

 

By the way, the gentleman concerned is still with us although still very poorly in hospital


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It is with some sadness that Fred passed away on Monday evening, He had suffered a massive stroke and all the doctors could do was to keep him comfortable.

 

He lived at this sheltered housing complex for the last 28 years and the scheme manager had known him for the past 19 of those years. It was she that was with him on Monday when he died. I truly believe that he was hanging on until someone gave their permission to go which is what the warden did. She felt so guilty for doing so but also a feeling of pride that she was with him when he went.

 

No matter how professionally one does a job, the feeling of 'family' after all those years here makes a huge difference.

 

IF there is a heaven, his wife (Ivy) has waited 45 years for him to join her.

 

He will be missed.

 

As there is now no time for me to get more information before the funeral, my plans have changed. I will speak to his immediate family and ask their permission to do a memorial 'letter' for the people that knew him well.


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R.I.P Fred, gone from our sight but not our hearts x


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It is with some sadness that Fred passed away on Monday evening, He had suffered a massive stroke and all the doctors could do was to keep him comfortable.

 

He lived at this sheltered housing complex for the last 28 years and the scheme manager had known him for the past 19 of those years. It was she that was with him on Monday when he died. I truly believe that he was hanging on until someone gave their permission to go which is what the warden did. She felt so guilty for doing so but also a feeling of pride that she was with him when he went.

 

No matter how professionally one does a job, the feeling of 'family' after all those years here makes a huge difference.

 

IF there is a heaven, his wife (Ivy) has waited 45 years for him to join her.

 

He will be missed.

 

As there is now no time for me to get more information before the funeral, my plans have changed. I will speak to his immediate family and ask their permission to do a memorial 'letter' for the people that knew him well.

 

R.I.P Fred.

 

I have seen this with an elderly Aunt in a care home. As far I know she had no medical problems during her life, had survived London during the WW2 blitz and had a good life. But eventually in a care home in her late 90's her body just gave up and she died in her sleep. Some times the brain keeps the body working through will even if they are starting to lose quality of life over a period of time.

 

The people who work as wardens in sheltered housing units and in care homes will have to deal with these situations on a regular basis. They don't get paid very much and it must be very hard to deal with.


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sometimes even with close relatives its hard to find out what happens

 

granddad didnt get out at dunkirk

we think he was on the Lancastria survived but he never talked about it - its still under war secrets act

however we do have his effects - including a teaspoon from the Lancastria

 

would love to find out


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Labrat this may be of interest to you on the Lancastria.

 

Lancastria: Families urged to claim WWII medals: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32187297


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