More nonsense from the tory toffs

[SabreSheep]

depression and anxiety will be next mark my words

[estellyn]

depression and anxiety will be next mark my words

 

I expect so.

[**Margaret**]

::

 

From the 'snap out of it' and 'pull yourself together' brigade.

 

And it appears they may need to start with their own decision makers;

 

http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/7698/

(#2)

 

Margaret.

[mikeymack2002]

You missed a few:

 

12) Short bald ones - Male or female.

13) Elderly without private pensions.

14) Pensioners who can no longer afford end of life care fees.

15) Ginger tops - They have to be worse than blondes

 

Alternatively, scrap all benefits and ship those that can't afford to live off to the Isle of Wight.

 

 

You have this the wrong way round you should ship off THOSE THAT CAN off to the IOW

[gigs]

When I was on jobseekers the person was trying to be funny about my weight, straight up talking about it but this was long before this proposal, so I can only guess many ppl won't mind mentioning ppl's weight to their faces subtle threats and so on. btw I'm not one of those morbidly obese, just chubby.

 

Not gonna be pretty when someone snaps or when the person behind the desk is not in perfect shape themselves trying to tell ppl this and that.

[sadone]

Anyone gonna tell Eric Pickles? Now there's a big lad, eh......

[citizenB]

 

Apparently it could save £10,000,000 which yes does sound a lot of money but actually when looked at in relation to the total government expenditure is peanuts

 

 

When all they need do is force one tax avoider to repay the tax he has avoided over the past 2 decades and we wouldn't have this problem at all !

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/12/tory-donor-lord-fink-admits-vanilla-tax-avoidance_n_6668528.html

[tommy456]

Cameron has really lost the plot, and hopefully this next election http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31500763

[neword]

The real question is where would it stop. Where would that thin line be drawn?

 

I can remember a long time ago that there was a original series STAR TREK episode where they were on a planet that was populated only by people who were genetically perfect. If there was something wrong with them they were put into a chamber and well disposed of permanently.

 

Could this be taken that far... A slight problem in your genetic code and ....sanctioned....

 

I know going a little to far but it does make you wonder......

[fletch70]

It's not going too far as that was the path the Hitler started down in the 1930's. It is also one of the main reasons for the ethical debate on genetic research.

[tommy456]

Yep the hitler and cronies persecuted the jews and others they didn't like, This tory government ( in all but name ) have done very little except find ways to persecute the poor and sick people of this country, and IMO it needs to stop, they need stopping

I think that 5 yrs in office is far too long ,should the voting public decide that the government of the day are not helping them only their selves to big salaries and too many expenses, snouts as deep in the trough as they can get them,

[id6052]

i am confused as to why they would need to do community work (usually reserved for criminals - unless DC thinks being unemployed should be a crime)

 

we hear the government tell us how well the economy is doing and all the new jobs being created? so if there are so many new jobs, help the young people into them (unless of course the jobs dont really exist)

 

also why are there so many NEETs? hmmm... nothing to do with the removal of EMA and increased student loans

[essexmat]

"Instead, they would be paid the youth allowance, paid at the same rate as JSA - £57.35 a week."

 

...whilst claiming young people claiming JSA have dropped and unemplyment is down. Yeah, great, work with no job at the end of it and thus putting paid employees out of their jobs. A big round of applause for Cameron

[id6052]

but am sure that DC's friends will make a great deal of profit (obviously non taxable) with the free labour available - therefore demonstrating that the uk's economy is recovering

[essexmat]

but am sure that DC's friends will make a great deal of profit (obviously non taxable) with the free labour available - therefore demonstrating that the uk's economy is recovering

 

Oh you are cynical, that is a terrible accusation to make - there are plenty of jobs available, we just choose to not work and take zero contract minimum wage jobs. How can you make such an accusation? The economy is booming, jobs are being created, the cost of living is dropping etc

[essexmat]

I am obese, more so since I have been on various medications and steroids and not working and being active. I was big anyway at 16.5st but am now 19st and yes I am ashamed of it but I do not even eat that unhealthily - I have bloated more due to medication and that cannot be stopped as well as a 6 month perios where all I wa.s eating was junk food. What I do know is you cannot be forced to have surgery or diet - that is a lifestyle choice and all this empty threat of benefit sanctions does is put more pressure on the already crumbling NHS

 

To me, this seems unenforceable.

[tommy456]

impracticable and maybe against human rights, there will be many who through medical conditions cannot exercise anywhere near enough the amount needed to make a difference in weight gain,

As has been said those on benefits certainly in receipt the lower rates such as JSA and pre assessment rate ESA don't have enough money to eat healthy foods And diets don't work, especially without regular exercise

[fletch70]

Thy will be changing the HRA if they get in again. Lets hop that rot and die. Apologies to the nice D.M readers and I know there are a few

[worried33]

estellyn they probably think they can monitor compliance just by weight? or maybe food vouchers that can only be used for certain types of food?

[antone]

estellyn they probably think they can monitor compliance just by weight? or maybe food vouchers that can only be used for certain types of food?

 

Ach, I think they know perfectly well that this is unenforceable. It's just some electioneering - bashing the junkies, drunks and fatties who claim benefits always plays well with the UKIP voters they're trying to woo. By the time it doesn't happen, everyone will have forgotten that they ever said it would, if you see what I mean.

[worried33]

The Conservatives are focusing on welfare reforms this week as they draw up battle lines before May's general election.

 

When have they not focused on welfare reforms? that's all they care about

 

The tories have not just made it a class war but in my view they have also made it a generation war, give give give to pensioners, take take take from the young.

[id6052]

pensioners are more likely to vote - so are the only people who matter during general elections

[Old Cogger]

give give give to the pensioners???????????????????/ I missed out somewhere, my O.H out of work they offered her £1.48 p.w., bus fare to sign on £2.58 return, factories laying off, stores stop recruitment?

[fletch70]

Ach, I think they know perfectly well that this is unenforceable. It's just some electioneering - bashing the junkies, drunks and fatties who claim benefits always plays well with the UKIP voters they're trying to woo. By the time it doesn't happen, everyone will have forgotten that they ever said it would, if you see what I mean.

 

I think I agree, it would cost more than it could possibly save. It is just a sound bite for the election.

[tommy456]

But this government has so far proved it likes wasting money on things that don't work welfare reform being one