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    • god where ever did you find all that twaddle rabbit hole stuff to go down .... no wonder you came here...we don't allow nor portray twaddle , neither lead people doen rabbit holes that then cost them money by sending PM's offering help of anything upto £360 for even a failed CCJ defence...   anyway enough of that BS. lets get you moving in the right direct , you should be ok as CEL are always losers if you do things correctly   can you fill this out please:   Received a Court Claim From A Private parking Speculative invoice?? - How To Deal With It HERE***Updated Aug 2016*** - Private Land Parking Enforcement - Consumer Action Group
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    • Hi All, I have received a parking ticket as RK (thats registered keeper right?) for overstaying by 16 mins in a well known wholesalers car park in Liverpool. I read some very confusing (and sometimes contradictory information on several sites) on how to deal with this. I followed the instructions to firstly challenge the validity of their claim. I wrote to them (no response) and emailed them. I had to guess at the email address because they provide only the registered office address or a 'claim line', which if i had contacted them on that, would have been agreeing to their idea of us having a contract in the first place (right?). i eventually got the admin email and sent it there, stating that i had already written to them with no response. I got a response saying that they do not respond to correspondence at that address and i should either write to them (already did) or contact via the appeals line or appeals email (again with the acknowledgement that its an appeal i need, rather than straight up confirmation). I asked in at the wholesalers customer/ member services in store about the car park ownership and they informed me it was a consistent problem and they didnt know the owner. I have contacted the head office in Herts for the information. (Customer services/ member services/ online services & complaints) for the information regarding ownership of carpark and the contract of agreement between them and the CE parking management with no luck. I received no further correspondence and therefore assumed that they had dropped their spurious claims. They acknowledged my letter with: "Response from representation team -  We refer to your recent correspondence. We accept for you to pay the original reduced sum of £100. The Parking Charge Notice has been passed to a debt recovery agency. All further enquiries, including payments, must be directed to them. Please follow the instruction on the correspondence you have received." I received nothing else until I receive a Northampton county court business service court claim. The amount is now in the hundreds (£274). I have acknowledged and sent back the form with nothing else written on it. now i have another week or so to mount my defence. I dont know anyone who speaks 'legalese' and frankly its giving me sleepless nights. Incidentally, at the time of the alleged 'contravention' there was a bout of sudden severe weather which was 'waited out' inside the wholesalers porch by several members and their children because the soft furnishings and electricals (for example) bought in store would have been destroyed by the downpour. Further investigation into the owner of the Civil Enforcement ltd has shown me that they are owned by CCP parking, who are in turn owned by Qa Nominees and are owned by people exposed in the Panama Papers scandal.   I am feeling like im a tiny part of a very big scam here, one that DVLA are profiting from. Under advisement, I have written a complaint to the wholesalers complaining about being treated so shoddily as a member. Under advisement, I have also written to CE ltd requesting a Subject Access Request. But I really dont understand the process or what steps to take now.
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    • Hi @BankFodder
      Sorry for only updating you now, but after your guidance with submitting the claim it was pretty straight forward and I didn't want to unnecessarily waste your time. Especially with this guide you wrote here, so many thanks for that
      So I issued the claim on day 15 and they requested more time to respond.
      They took until the last day to respond and denied the claim, unsurprisingly saying my contract was with Packlink and not with them.
       
      I opted for mediation, and it played out very similarly to other people's experiences.
       
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I have received a parking charge notice which I am sure you all know is not a fine, just an invoice that they would like me to pay. From a well known bunch of legal muggers.

The so called offence was staying approximately 10 minuets longer than the 2 hours i paid £1 to park for. In a private car park whilst Christmas shopping. Spending over £500 in shops owned by the same company who owns the car park.

The car park muggers have sent me a photo of my car entering & leaving said car park unfortunately for them they have got the date/times wrong.

I know i can prove beyond all reasonable doubt that there date/times are completely wrong in a court.

Do I write & tell them. There for giving them the opportunity to change the date & time to the correct one. or my personal choice would be to say & do nothing. Wait for my day in court & prove beyond doubt I was not there at those times.

I am sorry to be a bit cagey about who, where & when etc. But i know the car park muggers monitor these forums.

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So what if they monitor them. They cant do anything at all and they know it.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

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This was ANPR going by your first post?

 

How many days from the date of the parking event till the NTK landed on your doormat?

 

Do they mention the POFA 2012 on the NTK? Can you post up a redacted copy please?

 

They seem to be BPA members, but their website does not make any mention of this...

 

http://www.britannia-parking.co.uk/index.php

 

We need to see the NTK really.

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You weren't offending me at all. My point was the ppcs can't do anything, although they try and say they can.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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It is good that the par parking companies monitor these forums, that way they know when they are going to lose and may well stop their stupidity in time to save themselves a few quid on time wasting. It gives them fair warning that people dont believe their lies and are happy to help the uninitiated.

Now, back to your letter, you mention christmas shopping so presumable this event was befoe christmas so when did you get the demand? They have 12 days plus 2 days for service to get the letter to you so 14 days max otherwise it is timed out under the PoFA and therefore no keeper liability. the burden of proof as to the identity of the driver lies with them so they cant just say that you must have been driving because it is your car. For example, I am the legal owner of my daughters car but I have never driven it but I would never tell any parking co anything other than I am the keeper.

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Thank you ericsbrother

It says. date of contravention 10/12/2014 & date of this notice 02/01/2015 plus it took at least another 3 days for us to receive it in the post. Does this mean it is timed out.

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Thank you ericsbrother

It says. date of contravention 10/12/2014 & date of this notice 02/01/2015 plus it took at least another 3 days for us to receive it in the post. Does this mean it is timed out.

 

Yes.

There is no keeper liability under the POFA 2012.

They can only chase the driver.... and you have no obligation to tell them who that is.

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Yep, they have 14 days after the date of the event to serve keeper with notice and they have failed to do so. I would write to them as keeper of the vehicle and tell them this. Say that they didint send out notice in the time allowed by S9 of the PoFA and therefore there is no keeper liability and any further correspondence will result in a claim of harassment being made against them as both a criminal act and civil tort.

It is then up to them to identify the driver at the time. If you do get any further demands make a complaint to Patrick Troy at the BPA .

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