JohnBrown4x4 ** Resolved **

[BazzaS]

If thats what you want to think so be it.

 

It is what I want to think, provided we are considering the same issue.

Sadly, since your post doesn't indicate (by quoting) which of the posts above it relates too, who knows?.

[Hammy1962]

Can we have access to the video again.

 

If not, why not?

 

H

[citizenB]

Can we have access to the video again.

 

If not, why not?

 

H

 

It was made private by the thread starter - Site team are unable to help

[Hammy1962]

Yes, thanks, I understand that.

[Conniff]

I would like to see the bit on the rust again as well. I might change my mind after a second look. Why did you make it private ?

[heliosuk]

Well in essence Hammy it showed a mechanic pointing out the obvious on a 40 year old Land Rover.

 

 

He criticised some of the welding stating "We wouldn't have done it like that" and "we'd have seam welded it or put a new panel in".

 

 

What he fails to realise or point out that by putting in a new panel or repairing in the method he describes

would distort the bulkhead to such an extent that the doors would no longer fit.

The area around the pedal box in question would be severely weakened as well.

 

Seam welding is not always advisable or required.

Stich welding is the preferred method for this repair as has been carried out.

 

 

He further goes on to criticise just about everything else he can.

Well what would you expect for someone touting for work.

 

 

He gives little or no explanation only really criticising what the OP has bought...blind...

as we know on what you would expect to see on a 40 year old car.

 

What's also funny is that the OP then says he's going to get an RAC/AA report as they are totally independent.....

...well we all know what they are like....useless.

 

 

It will be a wonder if they don't criticise it for "Diesel lift pump not working" or "Air bags not working"...pathetic.

 

 

What's great about this case is for once a dealer has been allowed to respond with what in their opinion is the case....something which we unfortunately don't see often enough!!!

[rebel11]

Dealers or any other organisation has a right to reply, it's an open site. You make it sound as though the Site Team stops organisations from posting, which is misleading. All we ask is that everyone follows the site Rules.

 

'What's great about this case is for once a dealer has been allowed to respond with what in their opinion is the case....something which we unfortunately don't see often enough!!!'

[Hammy1962]

I was more interested in who the 'expert' is, which garage is it?

 

Those overalls, and any other brand protection issues which might be apparent from the video.

 

H

[heliosuk]

Exactly Hammy...I'm very, very interested. "Passing off" or purporting to be someone or or some organisation is a very serious criminal offence as I understand it.

[heliosuk]

Dealers or any other organisation has a right to reply, it's an open site. You make it sound as though the Site Team stops organisations from posting, which is misleading. All we ask is that everyone follows the site Rules.

 

'What's great about this case is for once a dealer has been allowed to respond with what in their opinion is the case....something which we unfortunately don't see often enough!!!'

 

 

Sorry rebel...my faux paus... but you have to admit that at times there appears to be an excessive amount of "editing" going on with regards to certain members posts and their ability to post a free expression of views. But that is another matter not for discussion on this thread.

[renegadeimp]

Simple answer to that helios. Site team just need to enable the option that allows users to see if a post has been edited or not, and how many times.

[heliosuk]

I would like to see the bit on the rust again as well. I might change my mind after a second look. Why did you make it private ?

 

 

Well from memory Conniff the main thing was the "dress Maker" concentrated on the pedal box area along with some corrosion in the heater box. However in fairness he did point out a degree of corrosion with the front spring hanger forward mount on the chassis. However this mounting point is doubly reinforced as also forms part of the bumper brackets on the chassis so all in all it's very debatable if it is indeed an issue. Clearly the previous inspecting garage did not think so and as JB points out..the MOT was valid at the time. But then we all know the MOT is not a reliable document at any point in time and they buyer needs to alwaystake this into account. It further showed som potnetil issues with seat belt mounts but what the dress maker could not establish or put over is exactly what the issue was other than to instil a sense a sense of fear to a muppet who has bought a 40 yeqar old car and expected it to be like one which has just rolled off the production lines!

[Minibits]

Exactly Hammy...I'm very, very interested. "Passing off" or purporting to be someone or or some organisation is a very serious criminal offence as I understand it.

 

I have a pair of overalls that has Dickie stamped all over them, but I've never worked for them in my life.

 

I will admit to being called a Dick for buying my Range Rover p38 though, and I do tend to spend more time in them overalls than I do in my tweeds and green wellies.

[JoeyJoeC]

I saw the video, the Landrover mechanic didn't seem to be touting for work at all, I'm sure he knew that the buyer would be sending it back and was helping him by pointing out the problems with it.

 

He pointed out some MOT fails, and also pointed out things that wouldn't fail according to VOSA, but would be beneficial to fix in the long run. The video was taken in a Landrover garage and the mechanic was wearing Landrover branded clothes.

[Conniff]

Was he a certified Ministry of Transport inspector ?

 

 

There is no 'fail according to VOSA' there is an 'in my opinion' as there are no hard and fast rules what is or what isn't a fail.

 

 

Wearing overalls with someones logo on does not mean you are working for or on behalf of that company and are an expert on that make or that particular model.

 

 

The OP refuses to respond to why he has removed the video. If it's so damning, let the whole world see it.

[Sic vis pacem, para bellu]

Some of you might have read my recent post in my experiences buying a LR from Johnbrown4x4 they state that in there professional opinion the LR is road worthy. It would seem that they don't know a lot as today it has failed an MOT on a number of issues. So much for there very strict inspection before the LR was sent out. Please see the following video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpCAEhjaM4U&feature=youtu.be

[heliosuk]

What a load of bulls testicles this video is. The OP really has a gripe here and shows himself up as a "merchant banker" extraordinaire as does his MOT testing station. Total and utter codswallop. The only thing that may be valid is the condition of the bulkhead around the pedal box. The spring hanger corrosion as is all corrosion a matter of opinion. Wipers not clearing ...well at the last test they might have done.

If I were the OP I'd seriously be considering getting insurance against slander now. I do hope John Browns hit back.

He bought it with a valid MOT let alone not going or getting someone to go and see it on his behalf. What a ******. Plus he has not taken into account the huge discount he got.

 

 

What eventually this will hinge on is if JB's can supply a copy of the alleged e mail that he accepted it as a trade deal. If they can then it's game over for the OP but if not as the OP claims then it's game on!

 

 

Still no mention of the supposed specialist though surprisingly.

[Sic vis pacem, para bellu]

What a load of bulls testicles this video is. The OP really has a gripe here and shows himself up as a "merchant banker" extraordinaire as does his MOT testing station. Total and utter codswallop. The only thing that may be valid is the condition of the bulkhead around the pedal box. The spring hanger corrosion as is all corrosion a matter of opinion. Wipers not clearing ...well at the last test they might have done.

If I were the OP I'd seriously be considering getting insurance against slander now. I do hope John Browns hit back.

He bought it with a valid MOT let alone not going or getting someone to go and see it on his behalf. What a ******. Plus he has not taken into account the huge discount he got.

 

 

 

 

What eventually this will hinge on is if JB's can supply a copy of the alleged e mail that he accepted it as a trade deal. If they can then it's game over for the OP but if not as the OP claims then it's game on!

 

 

Still no mention of the supposed specialist though surprisingly.

 

When you buy a used motor vehicle from a trader, you enter into a legally binding contract. You are entitled to expect that the vehicle is of satisfactory quality, fit for purpose, and as described. An older vehicle with high mileage may not be as good as a newer vehicle with low mileage, but it should still be fit for use on the road and in a condition that reflects its age and price.

 

Traders must not mislead consumers by using phrases such as 'sold as seen' or 'no refunds'. If you buy a used vehicle from a trader online, you have additional rights under the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013. You do not have the same legal rights if you buy a vehicle from a private seller or from an auction.

 

If the used vehicle is faulty, you have a short time after buying it to reject it for a full refund. You may have other remedies such as repair or replacement. You should write to trader you bought it from, confirm the details of your complaint and the remedy you are seeking and keep copies of all correspondence. As a last resort, you may need to consider taking court action. Bear in mind that used vehicles may have some faults, but they should not be excessive. Fair wear and tear is not considered to be a fault.

 

- Of a satisfactory quality - free from minor defects, safe and durable for a reasonable length of time. When assessing satisfactory quality you should take into account the price you paid for the vehicle, its age, mileage and condition at the time of sale.

 

- Fit for its intended purpose or a purpose that you made known to the trader - fit to be driven on the road.

 

- As described - the vehicle should correspond with any description applied to it. In some circumstances, the trader may be liable for any statement made by the manufacturer of the vehicle.

 

If the vehicle is faulty , you are legally entitled to request one of the following remedies:

 

a full refund

compensation (damages)

repair or replacement

rescission or reduction in price

The 'action to take' section of this leaflet explains more about the circumstances when each remedy applies. You can find more information about these rights in the 'Buying goods - your rights' leaflet.

 

The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 prohibits commercial practices that are unfair to consumers. If a trader misleads you or engages in an aggressive commercial practice and you make a decision to purchase a vehicle which you would not otherwise have done, the trader may be in breach of the regulations. For example, a trader may fail to inform you that the vehicle has previously been accident damaged or may claim it is 'sold as seen' to avoid their responsibilities to you. If you have been misled, report it to Citizens Advice consumer service for investigation by trading standards. Guarantees and warranties given or sold by a trader are in addition to the statutory rights you have under the Sale of Goods Act 1979. Please see our 'Guarantees and warranties' leaflet for more information.

 

If you enter a contract because a trader misled you or because the trader used an aggressive commercial practice, the Consumer Protection (Amendment) Regulations 2014 give you rights to redress - the right to unwind the contract, the right to a discount and the right to damages. Please see our 'Misleading and aggressive practices - your right to redress' leaflet for more information.

 

Mileage

If you are buying from a trader, check to see if there is a disclaimer stating that the mileage is not guaranteed and so cannot be relied on. It should be 'bold, precise and compelling' and effectively brought to your attention. If there is no disclaimer, it could be argued that the trader is stating that the mileage is correct and you can rely on it. It then becomes part of the contract and the description of the vehicle.

 

Final the term trade sale..... 13.1 A consumer’s legalrightsunder the SoGA cannot be taken away or restricted, and any attempt by you to do so by using an exclusion clause or similar notice will be void and therefore unenforceable (you will not be able to rely on it in a dispute with a consumer). Using words or statements in sales to consumers such as ‘Sold as seen’, ‘Unroadworthy’, ‘Trade Sale Only’,

‘No Refund’, ‘Spare or Repair’ or

‘Sold as Scrap’, even if the statement ‘this does not affect your statutory rights’ is included.

 

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140402142426/http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/reports/676408/oft1241.pdf

[dx100uk]

regardless to whatever is going on external to CAG

we cant be seen to carry a video that use questionable language etc

 

 

thread is being temp removed for review by admin

 

 

dx

siteteam

[citizenB]

Thread restored - please note bad language will not be tolerated.

[Hammy1962]

Can the OP now make the original video public again?

 

H

[citizenB]

Can the OP now make the original video public again?

 

H

 

Up to the OP, he wasn't asked to remove it.

[Hammy1962]

No, I know, thanks. He's just got cold feet.

 

If there's nothing to hide why won't he make it public.

 

Something fishy going on here.

 

H

[*RainbowTears*]

It's 40 years old!!

 

What was you expecting??

 

Me myself, I would expect any vehicle of this age to have rust & a few issues (minor &/or major), due to its age alone.

 

Why did you not get the vehicle inspected at the time? As I know I would have done, solely due to its age.

 

As you seem to now to be doing everything you can to tarnish this Companies name, why did you not put in half as much time & effort into getting this vehicle checked out before you paid for it?

 

You as the buyer had the opportunity to do so, it's no one fault you didn't choose to do this at point of sale.

[Conniff]

I fear there is more to this than is being told RT.