Panic room woman challenges bedroom tax

[Conniff]

It doesn't sound like you empathise with her?

 

 

 

They can't take their strong room with them shopping or holiday or even for a walk in the park, so what happens then.

 

 

I see no responses to the above.

[antone]

Somewhat harsh and judgmental, dear Chester! Clearly I've hit a nerve and you are one of these leftist types who takes any differing view as a personal attack and responds ad hominem to shut down debate.

 

I don't know if Chester is a "leftist" and neither do you. There is, however, a certain irony involved in accusing someone else of attempting to shut down debate while using epithets whose only purpose is to do exactly that.

 

As to the topic of the thread, I dunno. I can sort of see Conniff's point - on the face of it it does seem like there should be more effective ways of dealing with this problem than creating prison cells inside peoples' homes. But hey, I'm not an expert in this field, and I'd be astonished if the amount of money involved nationwide was really worth fussing about. Tentatively, I vote to allow the extra room in these circumstances and not charge bedroom tax.

[numbers666]

If it is a requirement for security and maintaining sanity of the woman in question, then it should be permitted. Not everything is B&W and sometime, our beloved civil servants need to have a smattering of common sense and humility.

 

@conniff - perhaps they are housebound due the issues mentioned above...

 

When the is a genuine need such as this there needs flexibility...

[think about it]

I see no responses to the above.

 

Conniff, does the point I raised in the post above yours not address that?

[id6052]

Not getting into the argument of how useful or effective a panic room may be - or why the person could not occupy a 2 bedroom property with her own bedroom being adapted to panic room standards

 

however i am not sure JR is the appropriate route to tackle this. surely other options should have been attempted. for example

1) going to a FtT to try to persuade a judge that the room is no longer a bedroom (quicker and cheaper than JR proceedings)

2) landlord re-categorising property as 2 bedroom, and offsetting any reduction in rent by applying a service charge for the provision of a panic room

3) applying for a DHP from the local council

 

I suspect that the DWP will argue that the availability of DHPs as a defence should there by any finding of discrimination. It has worked so far as a defence in cases where the claimant and/or partner are Severely Disabled.

[tomtom256]

If it is a requirement for security and maintaining sanity of the woman in question, then it should be permitted. Not everything is B&W and sometime, our beloved civil servants need to have a smattering of common sense and humility.

 

@conniff - perhaps they are housebound due the issues mentioned above...

 

When the is a genuine need such as this there needs flexibility...

 

If it's laid out in law then it is B&W, common sense has nothing to do with it.

[Chester6]

Somewhat harsh and judgmental, dear Chester! Clearly I've hit a nerve and you are one of these leftist types who takes any differing view as a personal attack and responds ad hominem to shut down debate.

 

Reread what you said and I think the finger pointing from you is in the wrong direction

 

When this was mentioned IDS was shown to be laughing and that says enough about his brand of Tory and beliefs

[Chester6]

I don't know if Chester is a "leftist" and neither do you. There is, however, a certain irony involved in accusing someone else of attempting to shut down debate while using epithets whose only purpose is to do exactly that.

 

As to the topic of the thread, I dunno. I can sort of see Conniff's point - on the face of it it does seem like there should be more effective ways of dealing with this problem than creating prison cells inside peoples' homes. But hey, I'm not an expert in this field, and I'd be astonished if the amount of money involved nationwide was really worth fussing about. Tentatively, I vote to allow the extra room in these circumstances and not charge bedroom tax.

The rooms are to make someone feel safe in their own home because the system has failed them

[Conniff]

.... - or why the person could not occupy a 2 bedroom property with her own bedroom being adapted to panic room standards ....

 

 

There's the answer fair and square, there can be no opposition to that statement, that really is 'commons sense'.

 

 

This court case is politically motivated and my money is on the labour party funding it through the backdoor.

 

When this was mentioned IDS was shown to be laughing and that says enough about his brand of Tory and beliefs

 

 

Link to a youtube video showing that please or other proof ??

[numbers666]

If it's laid out in law then it is B&W, common sense has nothing to do with it.

 

sometimes the law is an ass (word for donkey like animal also means behind)

[Conniff]

I think you should have stuck with the assumed description

[RaeUK]

sometimes the law is an ass (word for donkey like animal also means behind)

Only if you can't either pronounce or spell 'arse'. Or you're an American.

[Conniff]

- or why the person could not occupy a 2 bedroom property with her own bedroom being adapted to panic room standards

 

 

How strange, everyone seems to have gone quiet.

[RaeUK]

... seems to have gone quiet.

Panic over?

[think about it]

Yes, it's the weekend - time I'd rather spend with the family than on the PC...

[think about it]

- or why the person could not occupy a 2 bedroom property with her own bedroom being adapted to panic room standards

 

How strange, everyone seems to have gone quiet.

 

Perhaps they were already living in this house? Perhaps it had already been converted and they were moved into it by the council? Perhaps the council didn't have a 2 bedroom property available and thought this a better option than letting them rot in a B&B? Perhaps they couldn't find a private landlord that was willing to allow the adaptations to be made to their property and therefore could only use council 'stock'?

 

Without the facts it's a pretty pointless argument.

[Nystagmite]

That is a lot of the problem many disabled people have. They need the extra space to enable their house to be adapted and a lot of the time, the only option is more bedrooms than the law says they're entitled to. But if they move out, they may have to pay back the cost of the adaptions and then try to find a one bed flat where the same adaptions can be made.

 

Utterly ridiculous. It should be done on a case by case basis. So, in the case of the woman who needs this panic room, of course she shouldn't have to pay the bedroom tax. But if a single non-disabled person with no such issues lives in a two bed flat and isn't willing to downsize and has been offered somewhere smaller, they should pay.

[think about it]

That is a lot of the problem many disabled people have. They need the extra space to enable their house to be adapted and a lot of the time, the only option is more bedrooms than the law says they're entitled to. But if they move out, they may have to pay back the cost of the adaptions and then try to find a one bed flat where the same adaptions can be made.

 

Utterly ridiculous. It should be done on a case by case basis. So, in the case of the woman who needs this panic room, of course she shouldn't have to pay the bedroom tax. But if a single non-disabled person with no such issues lives in a two bed flat and isn't willing to downsize and has been offered somewhere smaller, they should pay.

 

Honestly couldn't agree any more with what you've written. Charging someone in the absence of suitable alternative accomodation is ridiculous, however if an offer of a reasonable alternative has been made and declined then, yes by all means they should be charged.

[Mcall]

Honestly couldn't agree any more with what you've written. Charging someone in the absence of suitable alternative accomodation is ridiculous, however if an offer of a reasonable alternative has been made and declined then, yes by all means they should be charged.

 

I agree with this too.

An even better solution, since the woman with this panic room is not disabled, would be to charge the cost of the adaptions to the violent tw*t who created the need for it in the first place. An attachment of his earnings or (more likely, benefits), kind of an "idiot tax"!!

[Nystagmite]

I agree with this too.

An even better solution, since the woman with this panic room is not disabled, would be to charge the cost of the adaptions to the violent tw*t who created the need for it in the first place. An attachment of his earnings or (more likely, benefits), kind of an "idiot tax"!!

 

Didn't think of that one. Does sound like a good idea.

[think about it]

Didn't think of that one. Does sound like a good idea.

 

+1 from me.

[Lilly_Monroe]

I agree with this too.

An even better solution, since the woman with this panic room is not disabled, would be to charge the cost of the adaptions to the violent tw*t who created the need for it in the first place. An attachment of his earnings or (more likely, benefits), kind of an "idiot tax"!!

 

What a good idea.