Prosecutions Unit

[Nistor]

Hello Everbody

 

A month ago i got caught without validating my waster card..

.that time i had 2 wester cards with me,

one with money and

one hithout money..

 

 

.Trying to save myself i told the guy the machine wasn`t working from station i got in the train.

..he was really sure the machine was working like he have been there in that morning arround 6am

..after that he asked for my details name, address..etc.

 

Today i received a Prosecution letter saying..

 

"On tuesday 30 September 2014 at Chadwell Heat station a person giving the above name and address

was questioned by a member of rail staff about the payment of a rail fare.

 

All the available evidence is being considered as to whether legal proceding are appropriate.

If you consider that there are further mitigating factors that may influence any decision that may be made about this matter

you are invited to respong, within 14 days of the date of this letter using the enclosed Freepost envelope.

 

 

If you wish to make any comments about the incident,

please do so on the reverse of this letter.

Please ensure that all details below are completed and returned to ensure our records are up to date."

 

From what that guy said, for this kind of prosecutions i can get up to 3month of jail and up 1000p fare...

 

1. Is it true??

 

2. How should i procced further with this letter.?

 

Please reply as you would think is most probably happen in my case, and what would be best to do for me.

 

Thank you

[honeybee13]

Hello and welcome to CAG.

 

Are you talking about Oyster cards please?

 

If I understand what you've said, you had two cards with you, did you use the one with money or the other one?

 

My best, HB

[Nistor]

Hello and thank you for answering..

 

I dind`t used none of them i forgot... on that time like a week before i didn`t even know about wester cards, until someone told me about them..used to make tickets....

 

My best, HB

[honeybee13]

Hello and thank you for answering..

 

I dind`t used none of them i forgot... on that time like a week before i didn`t even know about wester cards, until someone told me about them..used to make tickets....

 

My best, HB

 

Hello again. I'm really sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Was it a wester card or an Oyster card please?

 

HB

[Nistor]

Hello again. I'm really sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Was it a wester card or an Oyster card please?

 

HB

 

Oyster...sorry im used to call it "wester"

[honeybee13]

Oyster...sorry im used to call it "wester"

 

Thank you. So in your first post you say you were caught not validating your Oyster card and that you had 2 of them with you one that had money on it and one that didn't.

 

Why do they think you didn't validate your Oyster card please?

 

HB

[Nistor]

Thank you. So in your first post you say you were caught not validating your Oyster card and that you had 2 of them with you one that had money on it and one that didn't.

 

Why do they think you didn't validate your Oyster card please?

 

HB

 

I told them the machine for validating tickests was broke...as an excuse,

but he was very sure the machine was working,

and the guy was an [removed] too..

 

 

soon as saw i didn`t validated the card,

 

 

he start threatening me with the prosecution in court,

 

 

which eventualy he did...

Edited October 30, 2014 by dx100uk
behave - dx

[honeybee13]

I told them the machine for validating tickests was broke...as an escuse, but he was very sure the machine was working, and the guy was an idiot arrogant too..soon as saw i didn`t validated the card, he start treating me with the prosecution in court, which eventualy he did...

 

So you had 2 Oyster cards with you, but you didn't validate either of them, is that what you're saying?

 

It's not about the guy's attitude usually, arguing about that won't usually help. We need to know what you did please.

 

HB

[honeybee13]

By the way, I understand that you've had a letter and we will help you to respond to it. I don't think it's a prosecution letter, I think they're asking for your version of what happened.

 

But first we need to understand what happened.

 

HB

[Nistor]

So you had 2 Oyster cards with you, but you didn't validate either of them, is that what you're saying?

 

It's not about the guy's attitude usually, arguing about that won't usually help. We need to know what you did please.

 

HB

 

like i said, as an excuse

 

 

i told them the machine to validate the oyster didn`t work.

 

 

..instead of tell them that i forgot..

 

 

.i thought this will sound more credible

[Nistor]

By the way, I understand that you've had a letter and we will help you to respond to it. I don't think it's a prosecution letter, I think they're asking for your version of what happened.

 

But first we need to understand what happened.

 

HB

 

That will be great!!

 

Thanks!

[honeybee13]

like i said, as an escuse i told them the machine to validate the oyster didn`t work...instead of tell them that i forgot...i thought this will sound more credible

 

So you just walked past the barrier without validating anything?

 

I think I've read on other threads here that they know when a machine isn't working. Are we talking about Transport for London [TfL]?

 

HB

[Nistor]

So you just walked past the barrier without validating anything?

 

HB

 

Here at the Brentwood station there is not barier..you can pass free..even without a ticket, but you risk to get caught.

 

whithout a barier, going every morning to station, happens to not stop and validate your ticket for travel to the machine..

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nistor

[honeybee13]

Here at the Brentwood station there is not barier..you can pass free..even without a ticket, but you risk to get caught

 

I'm confused, you said their letter talked about Chadwell Heath?

 

HB

[dx100uk]

ok so a little white lie

 

 

they will know about barriers working or not

or their or not

 

 

so time to fess up sadly.

 

 

write a SHORT and BRIEF, letter of apology

offering to pay all admin and equiv fines

to protect your good name

 

 

there are examples on here already.

 

 

DO NOT WAFFLE!

 

 

dx

[Nistor]

So you just walked past the barrier without validating anything?

 

I think I've read on other threads here that they know when a machine isn't working. Are we talking about Transport for London [TfL]?

 

HB

 

yeah i think so...GreaterAnglia they are called..

[Nistor]

I'm confused, you said their letter talked about Chadwell Heath?

 

HB

 

in that station they caught me..

[honeybee13]

I just have one more question because I see dx has arrived on the thread.

 

Has this happened to you before?

 

HB

[Nistor]

ok so a little white lie

 

 

they will know about barriers working or not

or their or not

 

 

so time to fess up sadly.

 

 

write a SHORT and BRIEF, letter of apology

offering to pay all admin and equiv fines

to protect your good name

 

 

there are examples on here already.

 

 

DO NOT WAFFLE!

 

 

dx

 

Hello Dx

 

Kindly send me a link to the letter sample you are saying..

 

Im new to the forum/

 

 

Thank you

[Nistor]

I just have one more question because I see dx has arrived on the thread.

 

Has this happened to you before?

 

HB

 

Very good question...and yes, with a day before, but in that day the machine wasn`t working for real (they know about the problem)...and i made the ticket on train that day..paying the guy

[dx100uk]

you need to read the threads here.

 

 

dx

[Nistor]

How should i procced..answering them to the letter or??

 

Thank you

[honeybee13]

How should i procced..answering them to the letter or??

 

Thank you

 

You need to answer the letter and you need to be truthful and sincere.

 

I have to confess that I haven't completely understood what happened from what you said, maybe it's me. What you could do is post up the letter you propose to send the rail company and we'll comment.

 

As dx says, it's worth reading other threads but we don't have a template letter because every case is different. Plus as has been said here on previous threads, if the person dealing with your case thinks that you have copied and pasted your reply they will be less sympathetic to your case.

 

HB

[BazzaS]

They'll know the validator was working and that you were lying about it not working. If you lie further in your letter, it may harden their resolve to prosecute.

The fact you had an Oyster card with you with money on it is irrelevant : you aren't able to show you had paid your fare??

 

The maximum fine is £1000 but I doubt you would be fined this. You can only go to prison for a second (or subsequent) conviction for intent to evade your fate : have you been prosecuted for that before?

 

Do you need an eDBS for work or a visa?