Suspended for Gross Misconduct HELP!

[Atticus-Finch]

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[essexmat]

I am by no means an expert on these matters but

 

 

I have been through similar myself so I know how you are feeling,

 

 

what they did not count on with me was that I had written evidence,

 

 

recorded evidence and witness statements when the charge against me for GM was brought.

 

 

I was out of the disciplinary in 5 minutes after showing up 2 senior managers as well as HR.

 

 

Anyway, this is not about me.

 

 

All I can advise is that you take either a responsible friend or colleague along for morale support or a trade union rep.

 

 

If they refuse this they are bang in trouble. Good luck

[rebel11]

Hi AF

 

Welcome to CAG

 

Could any of your conduct in full ot in part be considered an Informal Grievance before you consider lodging a Formal Grievance with the company?

 

Were you contacting other Co - Workers to gather information for your Formal Grievance rather then doing anything to undermine the company?

 

Could your conversation with the director be considered an attempt by you

to informally 'talk things through as your upset about the proposal'? i.e. an Informal Grievance

 

Have you got a Co - Worker you can take to the Hearing?

[Atticus-Finch]

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[Emmzzi]

Well, Atticus, it does sound like you question things. A lot. And when unhappy with the answer you got, you asked people to change the process so you could keep tabs on things - which doesn't seem to be your remit. Nor are decisions about who to employ.

 

The problem with bullying is that the person feeling bullied won't want to tell you to your face, and asking them if they feel bullied is in fact an act of bullying. They certainly wouldn't tell you they had given statements if they feared the wrong end of your tongue as a result.

 

So there may, in fact, be some merit in these charges, going on what you have writen alone.

 

Have you considered that you may be wrong? If you are, but refuse to see that you are, it all adds to the view of you as "obstructive."

[rebel11]

Yes, you do have the right to see the evidence being used against you, notes of the meeting, statements etc. If the hearing has to be posted then that shouldn't be an issue. Send them an email, don't request them over the phone. That way you have proof that you requested the info.

 

http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/l/g/Discipline-and-grievances-Acas-guide.pdf

 

Hi. I am not intending to issue a grievance against the company. I contacted my co workers because I thought that the information my director had been given regarding extra work coming in to the department to be incorrect. This has subsequently been shown to be true. Although I resigned from the union some years ago, the union rep has agreed to attend the hearing with me.

 

Can I request that notes from the initial meeting (taken by HR) and evidence of their investigation and witness statements in relation to the charges of bullying be issued to me prior to the Disciplinary Hearing? Can they refuse this request?

[Atticus-Finch]

Thank you for the replies... I shall call ACAS this morning.

[rebel11]

He has worked there for 35 years, there is nothing wrong with questioning things, if he's questioning things that shouldn't come as a surprise. I'm sure he's seen a lot of change in those years and questioned decisions in the past.

 

Well, Atticus, it does sound like you question things. A lot. And when unhappy with the answer you got, you asked people to change the process so you could keep tabs on things - which doesn't seem to be your remit. Nor are decisions about who to employ.

 

The problem with bullying is that the person feeling bullied won't want to tell you to your face, and asking them if they feel bullied is in fact an act of bullying. They certainly wouldn't tell you they had given statements if they feared the wrong end of your tongue as a result.

 

So there may, in fact, be some merit in these charges, going on what you have writen alone.

 

Have you considered that you may be wrong? If you are, but refuse to see that you are, it all adds to the view of you as "obstructive."

[Emmzzi]

He has worked there for 35 years, there is nothing wrong with questioning things, if he's questioning things that shouldn't come as a surprise. I'm sure he's seen a lot of change in those years and questioned decisions in the past.

 

Maybe, maybe not. Neither you nor I work in that office!

[Atticus-Finch]

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[Emmzzi]

Simple question - can you honesty not see how that can be interpretted as "difficult" by management?

[Emmzzi]

by the way - you have a right to see witness statements "where appropriate". An example of where it would not be appropriate would be where a witness has requested the document not be shared because they are frightened.

[Atticus-Finch]

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[Emmzzi]

Ok - you are cleary perfect. Nothing for me to help with here