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    • you need to ring northants bulk and ask for a copy of the judgement and the claimform by email pdf. it is quite usual for them to not have a copy of the claimform. so you need to record the call and ask them to read out the particulars of claim and the address it was sent too.     old wives tales , if you have a debt owing that shows on your credit file or you know exists from say the last 7yrs you should NEVER move without WRITTING to the debt owner with your new address. never run from debt which falls within the above .     all mortgage style SLC loans that were not deferred with erudio following the gov't sale in 2013 and that did not have a court claim raised within 6yrs are SB'd.   drydens simply did this because they wrote to your old address, got no response, and knew they'd get a default roboclaim CCJ where no human checks anything.   shot yourself in the foot.      
    • yep.   if all these are still owned/with the original creditors and you are not paying any powerless DCA's  then little point in any CCA requests at this stage unless any (non OD A/C's) are say pre 2000 opening.   our pro rata letters are the way to go you'll find those in the debt collection section of our library.   get any income payments on going or otherwise moved into a parachute A/c.   it is most probable that whatever you do most A/c's will be defaulted once this is done if not already. bearing in mine your wish to re mortgage or move in a future, it is most probable that the quicker you do default , the earlier a DN will be registered thus the earlier these will not show following their 6th birthday. this might involve you thinking about stopping all payments now ensuring this does happen, then resuming payment under a pro rata scheme self administered , once this happens.   just be aware that no DMP providers will ever question enforceability, should that be relevant.     
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    • slow down ...read what i'm asking , stating and trying to clarify.. it all might seem useless or totally irrelevant but it's important information moving forward with the whole situation and useful in the SPC claim moving forward     there was not 2 loans - the litigated OD is not a loan but it appears from your comment here..     sorry but then you did get scammed on many fronts... they allowed you to settle the loan exploiting your confusion over thinking it was the litigated account. they didn't tell you either and they would also have been aware of your statement filed response form:   The respondent had a junior account with the Bank of Scotland since a young age.  The Bank of Scotland offered the Respondent a loan of around £2500. This Respondent serviced the loan until losing her source of income and ran into some financial difficulty resulting in defaulting in servicing the loan.   they settled for a discounted sum... why? we usually find this is because they hold no enforceable paperwork at all. or was full of charges , charges could have been the discount or it could have been due to 'a business decision' ...   but sure as eggs is eggs there is no way 1st credit would not have raised a court claim for both the OD and the loan unless there was a very good reason. they didn't that smells...badly.   OD 's are notoriously difficult to litigate upon if defended properly...but with a loan in the same claim, with enforceable paperwork, they would have almost been guaranteed to win.   it's also a shame you didn't come where before you did anything but we are where we are.   now the above might seem harsh..even petty but our posts are not only for you and your issue they are also for future readers that find us via search engines or read like threads here alerting debtors to frequent pitfalls and innocent wet myself actions many do that all these dca's will and have exploited time and time again over the last +40yrs .   i'll try and get around to properly redacting all your pdf's tonight and get them back up. but before i finish and get on with the above........the status of the claim as it stands now.   From what i can gather the claim now hinges upon proving her ex at the time settled by a discounted payment to HBOS well before the sale to Intrum and the SPC Claim.   In all honestly and with regard to your comments in your previous posts upon his character, i seriously doubt this ever happened. the disclosures from Intrum contain all the OD statements , should that have happened, it would be detailed in those.   there is little point in the claimant hiding that info as they would be in far more legal trouble should they have doctored them than insuring a mere +£1k claim win. Even 1st credit wouldn't pull such stunts.   Sorry but there is little point in requesting HBOS to attend any future hearing, nor hoping the SAR shows anything different to the statements the claimant has disclosed . That will cost you more money , and more money in terms of the claimant attending another hearing.   there is one exploitation i see. that being the mention of a default notice. the claim states:  The respondent fell into arrears under the Finance Agreement. A Default Notice was Issued by the Original Creditor .   now default notices are not issued for OD A/C's (which ties in to the possible loan confusion and scam settlement i mentioned) . This tallies with a common mistake that many DCA's, including why i keep mentioning 1st credit, which is the previous name for Intrum, made on numerous claims and was one of the reasons for the name change. To Hide that They lost many Statutory Demand and court claims over the non existence of a DN or proof of it's issuance by the OC (a DCA can't issue a DN) .. No copy of a default notice is fatal to to successful  litigation.   even though in this OD case one was not ever needed. (Poor particulars of claim showing copy and paste, and never expecting a claim to be defended but responded to by a wet themselves response , which you did by settling a loan which you believed was the claimed debt when it never was)    other than that you indicate you made an OOC F&F offer in 09-20  have you advanced this option since ?   dx
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With my defence due in tomorrow, do I need to mention anything in the defence about an old account I had with Cap 1 being in dispute as a result of missold PPI affecting payments but settled in full in 2013 with Cap1 hence an abuse of court process/time by BW and Lowell?

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Responding to your PM

 

There are few points that need clarification first before you can finalise your defence bgizzle ...firstly.....

 

What was the date of your last payment to the account..? you state it was defaulted Nov 2008.

 

The second is with regards to the PPI refund...was the balance reduced by said amount of £340 ? Is the claim amount of £384 correct?

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

But it wasn't settled in full was it ?

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That was my understanding at the time but looking back it appears not. So let me rephrase

 

With my defence due in tomorrow, do I need to mention anything in the defence about an old account I had with Cap 1 being in dispute as a result of missold PPI affecting payments but settled in 2013 with Cap1 hence an abuse of court process/time by BW and Lowell?

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No...you are only dealing with the balance...the PPI is history

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Unless of course the PPI should have cleared the full balance?

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Okay. I'll leave that out. please see below and confirm if this is sufficient?

 

Claim number: XXXXXXXX

Claimant: LOWELL PORTFOLIO I LTD

Defendant: XXXX XX

 

1. The Claimant's claim was issued on 29th September 2014.

 

 

2. The Defendant contends that the Claimant's claim so issued is a claim in contract and is statute barred pursuant to the provisions of section 5 of the limitation act 1980. If, which is denied, the claimant contends that the Defendant is in breach of the alleged contract, in excess of 6 years have elapsed since the date on which any cause of action for breach accrued for the benefit of the Claimant.

 

3. The Defendant has not paid any part of this debt in the last six (6) years.

 

4. The Claimant's claim to be entitled to payment of £384.82 or any other sum, or relief of any kind is denied.

 

 

5. The Defendant has requested copies of documents (agreement, default notice, assignment) mentioned in the particulars of claim in accordance with CPR 31.14 and CCA but the claimant has failed to comply with this request.

 

6. ACCORDINGLY THE Defendant seeks the Claimants claim to be dismissed by the court as the debt is a statute-barred under the Limitations Act 1980, Section 5.

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Confine defence to what Andy gave you. Everything you've added is either repetition [no.6], superfluous [no.3] or not appropriate at this stage [no.5].

 

The shorter, the sharper.

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Thanks @ Oleg - I'll revert to the original 3 provided by Andy

 

@ Andy - I have also just found out that the date of assignment (according to cap1) differs from date BW/Lowell have stated on claim. When is an appropriate stage to highlight this and them not responding to CPR and CCA requests?

 

Apologies for appearing a bit silly but legal matters turn one into a bumbling fellow

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You dont....once a SB defence has been submitted there is nothing further to add...hence Olegs post

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Okay... Deadline day is here. Below is what I seek to submit following the patient advice given by andy and others. Please cast your eyes over this one more time and confirm i'm not missing out anything.

 

Claim number: XXXXXXXX

Claimant: LOWELL PORTFOLIO I LTD

Defendant: XXXX XX

 

1. The Claimant's claim was issued on 29th September 2014.

 

 

2. The Defendant contends that the Claimant's claim so issued is a claim in contract and is statute barred pursuant to the provisions of section 5 of the limitation acticon 1980. If, which is denied, the claimant contends that the Defendant is in breach of the alleged contract, in excess of 6 years have elapsed since the date on which any cause of action for breach accrued for the benefit of the Claimant.

 

 

3. The Claimant's claim to be entitled to payment of £384.82 or any other sum, or relief of any kind is denied.

 

Is there a legal format to adhere to?

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Okay... Deadline day is here. Below is what I seek to submit following the patient advice given by andy and others. Please cast your eyes over this one more time and confirm i'm not missing out anything.

 

Claim number: XXXXXXXX

Claimant: LOWELL PORTFOLIO I LTD

Defendant: XXXX XX

 

1. The Claimant's claim was issued on 29th September 2014.

 

 

2. The Defendant contends that the Claimant's claim so issued is a claim in contract and is statute barred pursuant to the provisions of section 5 of the limitation acticon 1980. If, which is denied, the claimant contends that the Defendant is in breach of the alleged contract, in excess of 6 years have elapsed since the date on which any cause of action for breach accrued for the benefit of the Claimant.

 

 

3. The Claimant's claim to be entitled to payment of £384.82 or any other sum, or relief of any kind is denied.

 

Is there a legal format to adhere to?

 

Just paste into the mcol form

 

You should receive acknowledgment Monday.

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Update since submission - Courts sent acknowledgement receipt of defence letter a couple of days after submission via MCOL. They advised a 28 day timeline for BW/Lowell to respond else claim will be stayed. Its now 1st Dec and I've heard nothing back.

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The same as 95% of claims we deal with...very few ever do respond.

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Its 28 + 3 ...same as for you submitting the defence.

 

Andy

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Only if they respond...then you will receive a Directions Questionnaire to submit.

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You mean if they (BW Legal) respond to the court? If yes they already did and their letter to the court which I have been cc'd to reads

 

"The Court Manager,

Northampton County Court (Bulk Centre)

 

Claim No: XXXX

Lowell Portfolio v xxxxx

 

The claimant intends to continue with the claim,

 

We confirm that we have sent a copy of this letter to the defendant

 

Yours faithfully,

BW Legal"

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Well just wait until you get the DQ and then you will know if the above is genuine.:-)

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