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    • This looks like the same email address, a warning from the UK FCA about a clone firm with the name.   https://www.fca.org.uk/news/warnings/north-state-clone-fca-authorised-firm
    • Thanks for the very thorough response.    To be honest, I didn't think it was going to be easy, never is and especially not with a company like Amazon who as you state don't have the process in place to escalate to a human to understand this. Merely having a 'bod' on chat who seemingly just regurgitates what the computer tells them to say.    (Side note) - I also noticed we are no longer included in ADR schemes on the amazon web pages for the UK.    To also clarify amazon have issued a returns label on the first damaged table saw, but this has not been collected by Hermes yet. It is currently sitting downstairs occupying 'space' along with the second one.   I would be happy to settle for a Bosch table saw.  They told me they can't order a new one as it is out of stock.  I think it is more prudent to stick to getting a Bosch Table saw in this instance and for amazon to supply it one way or another.    Also I wanted to add something, I have spoken to Bosch themselves and they criticised amazons behaviour in this, they said they are looking at picking up the table saw and replacing the top that is damaged under warranty.  However this will take around 4-6 weeks (at the moment this is an option Bosch are looking into themselves independent of amazon).  If I do go down this option can I get any discount legally from amazon for the hassle?  Or is it still better to peruse them directly and not do this?   Thanks in advance  
    • I understand that the most recent promise was that the car would be delivered to you yesterday. Please could you bring us up to date. Did you receive the car? If so, is the car okay?  
    • On a side note – I think that if they didn't collect the items from you within the next seven days, then particularly given their size and weight – about 26 kg each – I would put Amazon on notice that I was going to be charging them storage. I think £5 per day is probably not unreasonable – although don't expect Amazon to be happy about it.
    • I think that whatever you eventually do, because you are within 30 days of the delivery of each damaged table saw, you should assert your right to reject them under the Consumer Rights Act. You wouldn't normally need to do this with Amazon – but I think that it is a prudent thing to do in the circumstances and it protects your position in case there is any question arrived in the future. So I suggest for the moment that you send to letters – separate envelopes – to Amazon identifying the items by their invoice reference number or whatever and that they have arrived in a damage date and because you are reacting within 30 days, you are now formally rejecting the items under the consumer rights act 2015 and that Amazon should make immediate arrangements to collect the items from you. As I have said, send the letters separately – but also try to confirm by sending Amazon an email using their contact system and maybe some other email address – keep copies of everything. The letters of rejection should be sent at least by recorded delivery. What is interesting here is that you have spent vouchers on an item which was sold to you at £272. Looking at the link you have posted, it now appears that the price has increased to £359 and so there is no doubt in my mind that you should be entitled to a Bosch table saw even though it is now that price. The objective of contract damages is to put you into the position that you would have been if the contract had not been breached. This means that your expectation at the end of a successful transaction would be to be in possession of a Bosch table saw. If that means that it is going to take £359 to put you into that post-contract position, then so be it. If you are prepared to accept a Bosch table saw instead of the DeWalt one which you apparently now prefer, then even if you found one elsewhere at say, £400, you will be entitled to claim the cost of that from Amazon. It gets a bit more complicated if you singly want your money back. If you want your money back then I think that you are only entitled to the value of the vouchers. If Amazon are unable to supply the saw table then it seems to me that you are entitled to receive the cash – and of course that is where Amazon will grind their heels in to the point where you may have to bring a small claim against them for the value of the vouchers. If this is what eventually happened – that you had to issue a court claim – then I think you are not looking at any resolution in the very near future. I can imagine that Amazon would object and muster a lot of energy to defending the claim. I can imagine that it would go on for at least six months and maybe more. I think you need to factor this delay into your calculations about how to deal with this. So I think broadly the position is that if you want the DeWalt then we can probably help you get your £272 cash which you could use to pay towards the DeWalt – but it will take quite a bit of time. If you are prepared to settle for a Bosch table saw then in the event that Amazon are unable to supply one, I think that you could quite reasonably source one elsewhere and if it was more expensive, one Amazon that this is what you are going to do and that you would be looking to them for the full reimbursement. This also would take quite a few months. I notice that one of Amazon's third-party sellers is selling a Bosch table saw for £429. Of course to buy this quickly, you would have to fork out the money now and then start claiming against Amazon. The problem of dealing with Amazon is that although they are generally speaking excellent, when things go wrong, they become very difficult to deal with. They are so huge that they don't act rationally in an economic kind of way. Amazon are not used to being pushed around and they don't have the mechanism for dealing with things. They don't seem to be able to escalate things rapidly to a responsible human person who will look at the problem and understand the principles. It's all done by procedures and that means it becomes very cumbersome to deal with. I've given a pretty convoluted reply here. Have a look and tell me how I can clarify things that you don't understand  
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      Sorry for only updating you now, but after your guidance with submitting the claim it was pretty straight forward and I didn't want to unnecessarily waste your time. Especially with this guide you wrote here, so many thanks for that
      So I issued the claim on day 15 and they requested more time to respond.
      They took until the last day to respond and denied the claim, unsurprisingly saying my contract was with Packlink and not with them.
      I opted for mediation, and it played out very similarly to other people's experiences.
      In the first call I outlined my case, and I referred to the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 as the reason to why I do in fact have a contract with them. 
      In the second call the mediator came back with an offer of the full amount of the phone and postage £146.93, but not the court costs. I said I was not willing to accept this and the mediator came across as a bit irritated that I would not accept this and said I should be flexible. I insisted that the law was on my side and I was willing to take them to court. The mediator went back to Hermes with what I said.
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It would appear that I have been moved to another energy supplier without my authority!


This started back in November last year when I was contacted by Unicom sales and offered a better deal on my electric supply

all sounded pretty reasonable on the phone and they e-mailed me a Letter of Authority to sign and return.



On reading this Letter of Authority which gave them the authority to contact my current supplier

and gather information about my account and rates;

but I noted that there was a paragraph that gave them the Authority to Terminate my contract with my current supplier

and move it to them, so at this point I left it.


I soon received a call asking for the Letter of Authority,

I explained that I wasn't happy with the Termination Clause and that I wouldn't sign such a letter.



I was assured that they wouldn't terminate my current supplier contract without my say so;

so to be sure I edited the Letter of Authority and removed the offending paragraph, signed it and sent it back.


I never heard any more until



a couple of months ago when I noticed that my DD payments to Unicom had jumped from about £30/Month to well over £1,000/Month.



I immediately rang Unicom to see what was going on and

they told me that it was because of my electric supply which they had taken over,

I found this to be quite distressing as I had been paying my previous supplier in the region of £700/Quarter.


I asked on who's Authority had they transferred my contract?

I was informed that I had signed a Letter of Authority and that they had this letter on file;

I asked for them to e-mail me that letter which they did and I can confirm that the copy they have is the edited version that I sent.


So my question is did they have the authority to terminate my contract?




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get the ofgem involved quickly



contact your old supplier and get them to reverse the switch

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I have a copy of the original Letter of Authority, I have the edited version and I have the edited version again but this time e-mailed from them so this proves that the version they have on file is the one that I edited.


so do I have enough?


Is the next action to contact them again and ask then to read the Letter of Authority again and point out the edits I made?




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also chrish



go have a read of the BES threads in this forum.




please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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First off, do as dx100 says above and report it to Ofgem.



Next is to send them an official complaint and marked as Official Complaint and include a copy of the amended contract.

Also send an email with your complaint to the CEO - [email protected] and see what he has to say.



When you have gone through the formalities, then you can start moving higher. It's not an overnight fix though.

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