PCN U-Turn

[Jaynesh]

I recently did a prohibited u-turn and it got caught in the camera.

 

 

The only issue is that the actual turn doesn't take place on the main road.

 

 

I have turned into a private road(?) and exited out again.

 

 

Essential, the actual u-turn took place in that side road.

This is what they caught on camera.

 

I have turned completely into that side road and completed the u-turn in there.

 

 

Can this be challenged?

 

 

I've got an option to either pay half or challenge the contravention.

 

 

If my challenge is denied, I have to pay the full amount of £130.

 

EDIT: I'm the black VW Polo.

Edited August 26, 2014 by Jaynesh

[honeybee13]

Hello and welcome to CAG.

 

Who issued the PCN please? Was it a local authority or a private parking company?

 

My best, HB

[Jaynesh]

Hi Honey Bee,

 

Thanks for the welcome. I believe it was the local authority. Harrow Council.

 

Will somebody be able to post the above link as an image on here so I can get more interest on the thread. I need over 10 posts to post an image.

 

Thanks

[dx100uk]

no you don't.

 

 

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[Bravot]

Dual carriageway, turn in the road and crossover to the opposite carriageway - bang to right I'm afraid.

[Jaynesh]

Thanks dx100uk, I have no attached an image.

 

Thank you Bravot for replying. What do you mean by "Bang to right"? I'm new here so I'm unfamiliar with the lingo here. Does this mean they are correct to issue me a PCN?

[honeybee13]

Hello there. I think this is what Bravot meant. From Collins English Dictionary online.

 

Definitions

 

 

1. (slang) caught red-handed
   

HB

[Bravot]

Bang to rights as in the full evidential requirement has been fulfilled.

 

 

I would suggest that you pay the discounted fine whilst you can!

[honeybee13]

Sorry Bravot, I could have sworn you weren't online when I started typing.

 

HB

[Jaynesh]

Hello,

 

Thanks for your response. I understand that I've been caught on CCTV but u-turn is only prohibited on that carriageway. What I've done is turned into that side road and then exited from that side road. Is that still considered a u-turn?

[Bravot]

Sorry Bravot, I could have sworn you weren't online when I started typing.

 

HB

 

 

 

Hello,

 

Thanks for your response. I understand that I've been caught on CCTV but u-turn is only prohibited on that carriageway. What I've done is turned into that side road and then exited from that side road. Is that still considered a u-turn?

In a roundabout way, yes. You've gone from one side of the carriageway to the other.

 

 

There is very recent case law regarding this - http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2014/560.html,

[Jaynesh]

Hi,

 

So if somebody turns inside that road, they are never allowed to come back out again without getting a PCN?

[Bravot]

Not if there is a prohibition in place. Your only recourse for appeal would be to check through the relevant orders but it doesn't always go to plan

[Jaynesh]

Sorry but this doesn't make sense to me. There is a gap in the dual carriageway specifically for turning into that side road. Turning into that road isn't illegal. I've gone into the side road and come back out onto the other side.

[Bravot]

Please read the link to the appeal I posted above. If you had continued down the road and then turned around I think you would have been fine.

[Jaynesh]

Hi Bravot,

 

The link you provided doesn't seem to be working for me.

[Bravot]

Apologies - please try this one: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2014/560.html

[CrappoMan]

This is the link: http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2014/560.html

 

In that case, the driver was performing a 3-point turn, not a u-turn. He was still found liable for the charge.

 

Looking at the picture, it doesn't look like a road, it looks like a car park with seperate entrance and exit. You should have continued into the road/car park and turned around within the road/car park before exiting.

[Anubis1275]

Good afternoon Caggers,

 

One of our company cars was caught in a very similar fashion some time back. The LA rejected our appeal on the grounds that the entrance way up to the fenceline was still classed as part of the carriageway so the driver never left the road as such. Had the driver continued fully in to the car park or loading area what ever it was this would have been ok.

 

Regards