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Guys sorry to bring this thread back from the dead (again!) but this same thing happened to a guy from my team at work. However, the idiot didn't have any ID and he gave an incorrect address with his statement. They took his fake ticket and his rail photocard (just his picture and name) and he thinks he got away with it. Can i tell him otherwise? lol

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Guys sorry to bring this thread back from the dead (again!) but this same thing happened to a guy from my team at work. However, the idiot didn't have any ID and he gave an incorrect address with his statement. They took his fake ticket and his rail photocard (just his picture and name) and he thinks he got away with it. Can i tell him otherwise? lol

 

They have his photo? And his real name?

Was his rail photocard a fake too? If not : did he give his real address (if he gave an address - when he got the photocard ; was it any sort of discount card where you fill in an application form?), too?

 

Even if not, his photo & real name gives them a starting point, while the ticket may narrow down which areas he lives in and works in (unless he travels from home a way to the station ...)

 

I wouldn't be offering him any reassurance.

 

As long as he doesn't use that route regularly he is probably in the clear.

 

How likely would someone be to go to the trouble to create a faked ticket, that needed a photocard, for a one off trip?

 

A high value single journey wouldn't likely need a photo card ; it seems probable this was for a "Regular" journey

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It would be helpful to know as Bazza suggests, was this a regular commute for work / uni etc?

 

If so, he's best advised to find another means of travelling because if not, he will almost certainly be picked up again if he was travelling with one of the TOCs where ticket checks are fairly common.

 

It might help to ascertain how likely that is if we knew which TOC he was travelling on. Don't give personal details, just the company will suffice.

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It would be helpful to know as Bazza suggests, was this a regular commute for work / uni etc?

 

If so, he's best advised to find another means of travelling because if not, he will almost certainly be picked up again if he was travelling with one of the TOCs where ticket checks are fairly common.

 

It might help to ascertain how likely that is if we knew which TOC he was travelling on. Don't give personal details, just the company will suffice.

 

OCJ knows way more about the process than I do, but (idly musing ...)

 

If I worked on the railways (I don't!) and was an RPI (I'm not) and thought "That passenger looks just like the mugshot of they guy who had a fake ticket whose photo was circulated because he gave a false address " ...... Then:

 

I'd continue my normal routine, so as not to raise any suspicions.

If the passenger had a ticket I'd see where they were travelling to. If they were ticketless and asked to buy a ticket I'd probably sell them one just to not worry them and to see where they said they were going ...

 

I'd have BTP waiting at the destination, with the photo.

Different passenger? No harm done.

Same passenger? Correct name and address will be confirmed .... potentially at the police station. Cakes all round in the office :)

 

Can't get BTP in time? Feed back details to the prosecutions team / intel unit : there will always be another chance ;)

 

Would BTP / CPS take over the 5(3)c RRA 1889 charge (if they ran with either a counterfeiting or Fraud Act 2006 charge?)

 

Or would the TOC go for both a 5(3)a and a 5(3)c?

 

Magistrates or Crown Court .... It would still be a "feather in the cap" for an RPI who established the details of an alleged offender who might have thought they'd "got off".

 

I take it the 6 months limit on a summons restarts after the original gets returned as "not known at this address"? it restarts from when the TOC becomes aware of the true name and address?

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off-topic, but how long will it be before the whole of the UK is without any paper tickets (that can be manufactured/forged) and it will be completely card/database? Just a random question, sorry if off-topic :)

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off-topic, but how long will it be before the whole of the UK is without any paper tickets (that can be manufactured/forged) and it will be completely card/database? Just a random question, sorry if off-topic :)

 

 

 

Probably not in my lifetime.

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Probably not in my lifetime.

 

Yes, I can see why too. Simply because the option to buy with cash money will always be there so a form of ticket will have to be issued even if it's more expensive. Especially for longer distance travel.

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