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    • I was looking for advice. I have no money. This has been dormant for several years as you can see on Page 1. Am I better to go to mediation, or to carry on and fight the case ? They still have not provided the documentation I requested ? With coronavirus can I email a scanned N180 ?
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    • Hi DX,   Thanks for your time and advice.    I really cant remember if / when it was defaulted etc because 20yrs ago my finances were a bit of a mess. I thought I finally cleared everything just with deals with collectors and one debt did go to court and I had a CCJ which I paid in full and is about 9 years ago and no longer on my file.   I started to live in another country for about 10 years and have been back in the UK now for 6 years so I was surprised to see this suddenly crop up on my file a couple fo days ago.   I've attached a pdf with 2 screenshots of Credit Karma screens, the left screenshot is my front page showing the alert for the Halifax and the screenshot shown on the right is how they listed it, almost as if its a live credit card except the Credit Limit shows as £0   Do you know if when I write to them, are the obliged to remove it from the credit ref agencies or will it be on there now for 6 years?   Thanks again for your help Pip credit report.pdf
    • Just a question details below is the filing history  A claim was issued against you on 02/12/2019 Your acknowledgment of service was submitted on 04/12/2019 at 20:28:57 Your acknowledgment of service was received on 05/12/2019 at 08:05:28 Your defence was submitted on 14/12/2019 at 11:45:17 Your defence was received on 16/12/2019 at 01:21:14 DQ sent to you on 15/01/2020 DQ filed by claimant on 04/02/2020 You filed a DQ on 13/02/2020 Your claim was transferred to XXXXXX on 13/02/22020   It states the claimant must pay £55.00 by 19th May and if not the claim will be struck outwith effect from 19th May if the pay the fee the case will be held on 16th June 2020 its states in the letter under section 6, each party must deliver to the other party and to the court copies of all documents on which that party intends to reply at the hearing no later than fourteen days before the hearing.   We think they will pay the £55.00 thinking we may not attend and they get the claim on default not the case we will be fighting all the way     It states in the court papers    The following directions apply   Each party must deliver to the other party and to the court office copies of all documents on which that party intends to reply at the hearing no later than 14 days before the hearings    The original documents must be brought to the hearing   The judge may refuse to consider the documents or take it into account if a copy of it has not been sent to the other party as required by this order   The documents must be sent to the other party and the court must include the statements of all witinesses   So our questions    Copy of all paperwork must be sent to all parties 14 days before the court date ( 2nd June 2020 ) if the claimant fails to pay the fee on 19th May will the case be cancelled as of the 19th May ?      
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1999 SLC SCOTTISH 1a small claims Decree, now rebadged by shoes/eruido - think i'm stuffed? No, I WON

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wrote not write

 

looks good

 

hold until after you see what perth say.

 

ask then HOW you get the charge for payment atleast put on hold or cancelled or WHY until you have a chance to contact shoosmiths whom are erudios solicitors and explain your forth coming actions. don't commit to a recall etc but investigate it with them if they seem to be helping you.


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I just spoke to Perth Clerks

A couple of things came to light.

They did indicate they could be quite helpful and look into specifics for me regarding whether the original Warrant was wrong/invalid etc.

I would need to email them directly which i will certainly consider.

 

Fair play to them they did not think an actual recall of the decree would potentially actually do anything more than extend the whole can of worms.

Clearly that is not my real end game.

I was quite candid in that August 19th 2019 is the key date and beyond that I do not care.

 

They could not/or would not advise me on how to stop the charge for payment.

I could ask them this outright in any email ?

 

Should I in effect just email them close to a copy of my proposed letter to shoosmiths asking to comment ?

 

I really would just like to get a letter off to the vultures.

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seems like a good idea

and any evidence they might need?


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This is my proposed final draft to send to Shoosmiths.

I will send a copy of this with a cover email to the Perth Court.

 

You happy with the content ?

 

To Whom It May Concern

 

I am writing to you to request you place this account in serious dispute.

I must insist that you immediately withdraw demand for payment. I request that you confirm said action to myself, and pass on this information to your latest instructed agents Stirling Park Sheriff Officer & Debt Collection Services.

 

On review of the information provided within the SAR from the SLC, I have found serious issues with the Decree granted on the 20th of August 1999, that could make said document invalid. As this is the sole basis of your action to collect the balance, then again I must insist that you withdraw your demand.

 

As you will further note much of this relates to the use of incorrect address information in critical correspondence.

 

Following a conversation to the Sheriff Clerks office in Perth regarding a number of points, they have requested I write to them so they may investigate my concerns.

It is entirely possible this may result in a request to recall the decree. The following condition allows this to happen.

Act of Sederunt (Simple Procedure) 2016 SSI 2016/200

Schedule 1 Part 13 The Decision

Sub Section 13.5 (1) (e)

 

You may wish to investigate yourselves some of my concerns ?

The following communications were within the SAR pack.

You will be aware that the SLC Legal department wrote to me on the 27th October 1998 at the completely wrong address of 49 Fictional Avenue Perth, warning that court proceedings will be instituted without further notice.

 

The next correspondence I have within the SAR pack from the SLC Legal on the 1st October 1999 is again writing to a wrong address. Strangely this time a different one of 48 Fictional Avenue Perth, where they advise me an Extract Decree has been granted. There is no copy of said decree in the SAR. Neither is there any mention in the letter of the date the decree is granted.

 

The decree was granted I have subsequently established on the 20th August 1999 *In absence.

 

I verified this from the copy decree Shoosmiths supplied, and it further confirms it is for the wrong address.

 

I can confirm from further documents in the SAR that the SLC update my address to the correct address on the 10th May 2000. Clearly this change is a number of months after legal proceedings.

 

I have other questions that need to be addressed with regards to the legality of the serving, or lack of serving of the summons at the time.

I also have a potential issue with regards to the time before the communication of the actual Decree in absence was communicated to the aforementioned wrong address. A time of 41 days I believe.

 

I await your response to my concerns with the potential legality issue with your charge for payment.

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Hi DX

Letter to Shoos sent recorded 1st on 10th Dec and signed for 11th Dec.

No response as yet.

Will keep you posted.

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ok well done sorry I didn't return..


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if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

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Hi DX

Update.

I have just received a letter a few days ago from Shoosmiths.

 

It is almost like they have simply ignored my letter (Post 48)

 

However it is back to the slightly "softer" approach which at least suggests they have read it.

 

They are back to asking me directly (without local sheriff officers) to come to an agreement to pay, that they can offer to their client Erudio.

Back again to enclosing a income/expenditure form.(I have never returned one)

For me this is undoubtedly a slight climb down from the recent aggressive behaviour.

 

Further to this apparently for the 1st time ever they have traced my mobile phone number as they just called me.

I did not confirm or deny who I was after they identified themselves, but hung up and have blocked the number.

 

A text has since arrived presumably from another number asking for me to get in touch re recent correspondence.

 

my thoughts are to reply again referring to my previous letter, asking why I have not had a "proper" reply.

 

I certainly do not want to make any sort of offer again while I am hoping to kill the process till the 20 year anniversary of the decree.

 

What do you think ?

Edited by dx100uk
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yea doing good.

keep it up.


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if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

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Hi DX this is what I have written today. Hope you approve. xxxxd out a few details.

 

Your Ref: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

Without prejudice

Account Number: 6xxxxxxxxx Balance £3xx9.19 and then Supposedly up to £3xx0.60 and now supposedly down to £3xx0.35

 

To Whom It May Concern

 

I note you have ignored my letter of 10th December 2018 which I have enclosed once again.

I have proof of signature that you did receive said letter.

You or your client Erudio Student Loans Limited need to take this letter seriously.

 

Your latest communication dated 8th January which I have referenced above includes a copy not as detailed of the original decree from 1999, but a partial copy of a second extract decree from 2014. My previous letter details the problems with both of these documents.

 

 

Once again I await your response to my concerns with the potential legality issue with your clients charge for payment.

 

I also note your various changes in apparent balance. Perhaps you could document this fully in an itemized statement ?

 

Finally my mobile phone number constitutes protected data under GDPR law. Perhaps you could kindly give me written details on how you legally came across said number and how you are legally using said number ?

 

 

Yours faithfully

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i'll pop in later busy day ahead


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if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

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scan up the letter from them to pdf read upload

this need careful chess moves

dx


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Hi Not quite sure why you think the latest letter is significant. However it is now scanned.

I do note the previous "hardball" was from edinburgh. This "stuff" is from payments at Northampton.

fromshoo0119.pdf

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Cause I wanted to see if it was an automatic sent template letter..and it is.

 

Pers I wouldn't reply


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if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

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Okay Thanks DX

I have replied as above but more as a reminder for them to address my issues.

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Just to keep the thread alive. With my letter now at 2 shoosmiths addresses.

First sent 10th December and then 25th January.

I have had no further communication from them so another  2 months passed.

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yep keep ignoring unless or until you get served anything by a sheriffs officer


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Thanks DX.

Presumably even the pondlife (Shoosmiths) should address my "points/complaints/concerns" before sending those dogs after me again ?

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there being a dispute is not a magic bullet

pers id just ignore them.

 


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Hi DX good news in a way. 2 months on and still not answers from them or any demands.

Just remind me as in my head my key date is 20th August 2019

That is the 20 year anniversary of the original decree granted at the Scottish sheriff Court.

When I was trying originally to avoid the debt by Status Barred rules I was reminded the Decree is subject to a 20 year prescriptive period.

 

If I get to the "magic" date is there a relevant link I can copy the text from that would confirm the debt is no longer enforcable ?

Something more substantial than this 1 line statement

https://www.scotlanddebt.co.uk/articles/personal-debt/time-limit-recovering-debt-can-written-off

 

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plenty of info on the inter web.

 

dx 


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Sorry not attempting to be lazy.  I keep finding simplistic statements but am unsure as to where I find the actual legislation.

 

Ie embedded somewhere in this beauty

 

http://www.parliament.scot/S5_Delegated_Powers/SB18-22.pdf

 

Or particularly section 7 of this.  

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1973/52

 

 

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not your problem

simply quote

Prescription and Limitation (Scotland) Act, 1973

but only id we say so.

let them work it out!!


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Hello DX100UK and all observers.

I am delighted to announce I have had no further communication from Shoosmiths

Todays date is 20th August 2019 

That is the 20 year anniversary of the original decree granted at the Scottish sheriff Court on 20th August 1999

The 20 year prescriptive period should kick into force.

Celebrate

 

Would any further letters now constitute harrassment ? 

or does the debt technically still stand but just not enforcable ?

They cant seek a new decree ?

 

 

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Doubt you'll hear anything again


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Well Well Well.   

 

With regard to not hearing anything from Shoosmith, I today had an interesting suprise.

 

Clearly my letters (Mentioned post 91) in December & January were to in effect "turn the heat up" and stall them from trying to proceed any further before my magical 20th anniversary of 20th August which has now passed.

 

today I receive a large letter.   

Not a demand as you might expect. 

No finally someone has actually taken the trouble to investigate all of my complaints (Or stalling tactics). 

Its is a 4 pages long masterpiece.

 

I might scan it later if you are interested however here is the CONCLUSION.   

Not sure whether to laugh or laugh louder.  

 

"Whilst I am sorry that you have felt the need to raise these issues with ourselves, I am unable to uphold your complaint. I trust you understand my reasons for this.

 

However I am aware that there has been a delay in responding to your complaint and I apologise for this. Please therefore find attached a cheque in the sum of £50 in recognition of this delay."

 

So the delay to my complaint, which is exactly all I wanted has netted me £50 !!!!

 

Should I cash it.

 

PS

They have concluded that the Decree granted in August 1999 is valid and therefore will not be withdrawing demand for payment. 

Should I now counter with the 20 year prescriptive period or ignore ?

 

Are they now deemed to be harrasing me for an unenforcable debt ?

 

Maybe now the complaints department is working albeit slowly, that I should actually make a complaint that they deem the debt still enforceable.

 

Cheers

 

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