Llawnroc Parking Services Ltd 2* PCN from 2014 - MIL claimform***Claim Dismissed***

[moll 61]

Hi All, This PCN has all changed since I last used it!!

My wife borrows my car for work sometimes, she received 2 PCN from above co. She was parked in a friends spot at her house with friends permission.

1st was 6 Feb next was 27 Mar 2014, just received NTK dated 30 May. is this not late? Letter states that if I use POPLA (not that i will, as I was not driving) I forfeit the cheaper rate etc.

Do i contact them in any way i.e lateness of letter or just to say I am not the driver

Many Thanks

[armadillo71]

Hi All, This PCN has all changed since I last used it!!

My wife borrows my car for work sometimes, she received 2 PCN from above co. She was parked in a friends spot at her house with friends permission.

1st was 6 Feb next was 27 Mar 2014, just received NTK dated 30 May. is this not late? Letter states that if I use POPLA (not that i will, as I was not driving) I forfeit the cheaper rate etc.

Do i contact them in any way i.e lateness of letter or just to say I am not the driver

Many Thanks

 

So two windscreen tickets (NTD) on the above dates, and one Notice To Keeper referring to one of them?

A NTK has to be received between 29-56 days of the NTD to allow for keeper liability.

So this is out of time is it not?

Which means they can only chase the driver. Who they do not know....

 

Short reply stating that as registered keeper you are not liable and do not have to name driver.

No other correspondence will be entered into.

Foxtrot oscar...

Maybe not the last bit!

Get proof of postage from post office.

[moll 61]

Hi

The letter mentions both tickets 6/2/14 and 27/3/14 and the NTK is dated 30 May 14 Received by me 1/6/14 No photo evidence mentioned states " Breach of Terms & conditions; No permit displayed, Parked in No Parking zone (Private St). How would I word my reply please using this

 

Many thanks

Moll and a worried wife

[armadillo71]

Hi

The letter mentions both tickets 6/2/14 and 27/3/14 and the NTK is dated 30 May 14 Received by me 1/6/14 No photo evidence mentioned states " Breach of Terms & conditions; No permit displayed, Parked in No Parking zone (Private St). How would I word my reply please using this

 

Many thanks

Moll and a worried wife

 

 

Does the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the POFA 2012? I suspect not, and they are only chasing the driver. The keeper cannot be held liable...

Also they should have sent two NTKs as how do they know the keeper is the same person on both dates? It would be interesting to see the NTK if you could post it up redacted of personal info.

 

 

' As registered keeper of vehicle reg xxxxxxx , I have received a NTK ref no. xxxxxxx from you.

I wish to make it clear that I am not liable for this charge.

I am under no obligation to name the driver of this vehicle.

Any further correspondence from you regarding this matter will be treated as harassment, and dealt with accordingly. '

 

 

A complaint to the DVLA would be in order as well, due to the breach of their KADOE contract.

[moll 61]

Does the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the POFA 2012? I suspect not, and they are only chasing the driver. The keeper cannot be held liable...

Also they should have sent two NTKs as how do they know the keeper is the same person on both dates? It would be interesting to see the NTK if you could post it up redacted of personal info.

 

 

' As registered keeper of vehicle reg xxxxxxx , I have received a NTK ref no. xxxxxxx from you.

I wish to make it clear that I am not liable for this charge.

I am under no obligation to name the driver of this vehicle.

Any further correspondence from you regarding this matter will be treated as harassment, and dealt with accordingly. '

 

 

A complaint to the DVLA would be in order as well, due to the breach of their KADOE contract.

 

Typed it out verbatim as my scanner is not working at mo!

Dear xxx

 

According to our records a Parking Charge Notice was affixed to the vehicle on 6 February 2014 & 27 March 2014 and has not been paid. It has now gone over the 14 day time period to pay. Although it is too late to pay at the discounted rate, we will accept that this may be an oversight by the driver; therefore the Charge will remain at the lower rate.

 

If £80 is paid within 14 days, the charge will be deemed as paid. This letter is a Notice to Owner and is addressed to the registered keeper as you are the person responsible for the vehicle and because the Parking Charge Notice has not been paid, we are asking for payment of the outstanding Parking Charge incurred by the driver. You should inform us if you had sold the vehicle before the charge was issued or hired the vehicle from a hire company. If yu were not driving the vehicle at the time, you are to inform us as to who was, giving their name and address or any paper work as proof or pass this notice to the driver. The payment of the amount owing must be paid within 14 days or we may take further action.

 

If the Charge is not paid within 14 days, the charge will be increased to the higher level of £70 per ticket; if at the end of the 28 day period on receipt of this notice, the amount of the unpaid parking charge has not been paid in full and we do not know both the name and current address of the driver, we will have the right to recover from the keeper the amount as remains unpaid and it will be then sent to a Debt Recovery Agency where further costs of £50 will be added by the debt recovery company, (payment due will be £240).

 

Details of the Parking Charge Notice are as follows

 

PCN NO 4055 & 910100012

Loc of Vehicle xxxxx

Date Vehicle was seen in contravention; 6/2/14 & 27/3/14

Vehicle Reg xxxxxxx

Date ticket issued; 6/2/14 & 27/3/14

Vehicle make and colour; Gold Lambourghini (I wish)

Breach of Terms and Conditions; No permit displayed. Parked in no parking zone.

 

As the PCN was not paid we had reasonable cause to apply to the DVLA requesting the registered keeper details. If you believe your Data has been used inappropriately, you may complain to the DVLA and or Information Commsioners Office (ICO)

 

Appeals/Disputes procedure; In the event that you wish to appeal against the Parking Charge Notices, this has to be done within 14 days from the date of issue. The charge will be held at £40 per ticket pending the outcome of the appeal. Please send a letter of email to the address at the top of this page. Please allow 14 days for the company to reach its final decision, where you will be informed of our decision in writing or e-mail. Should the decision go against you, we will advise you of the use of POPLA (Parking on Private Land Appeals). If you opt to use POPLA you will no longer have the right to pay at the lower rate and the parking charge will automatically rise to £70.

 

Payment; Payments accepted by cheque, Postal order or cash, cheques to be paid to LLAWNROC PARKING SERVICESS LTD, and sent to the above address, or log onto www.llawnrocparkingservices.co.uk and make payment using a debit or credit card

 

Many thanks for your co operation

 

Yours Sincerley

 

Squiggle(SORT OF SIGNATURE)

 

for llanroc parking services

[ericsbrother]

all to late so they can get lost. Dont even bother replying to them, make them waste their money on any following up they care to do as they wont win. Letters from debt collection agencies are meaningless so they can be ignored as well, regardless of how scary the threats.

The datails of the supposed breach wouldnt stand up to scrutiny either so there is no mileage in the claim whatsoever.

[moll 61]

my proposed reply

 

Thank you for your letter dated 30 May 2014, I would give a reference number but there does not appear to be one on the letter.

However for your convenience it mentions two PCNs 4055 and 91000012. According t the BPA code of practice an NTK should be sent no more than 56 days from the NTD for Keeper liability (if there ever was a NTD, I'm assuming you have a photo) 27/3/14 until 30 May 2014 ( date of letter) or 1st June 2014( date of receipt by me) equates to 63 days from the date sent or 65 days for date of receipt for Keeper liability. I wish to make it clear that I am not liable for this charge.

I am under no obligation to name the driver of this vehicle. It certainly was not me as I was working on both days mentioned and not in Truro. Without having to point out the other abnormalities in the letter

I consider this an end to the matter

 

xxxxxx

 

 

anything to add or omit?

Edited June 3, 2014 by moll 61
my name was on show

[moll 61]

that is my name crossed out and not kisses

[armadillo71]

that is my name crossed out and not kisses

[armadillo71]

my proposed reply

 

Thank you for your letter dated 30 May 2014, I would give a reference number but there does not appear to be one on the letter.

However for your convenience it mentions two PCNs 4055 and 91000012. According t the BPA code of practice an NTK should be sent no more than 56 days from the NTD for Keeper liability (if there ever was a NTD, I'm assuming you have a photo) 27/3/14 until 30 May 2014 ( date of letter) or 1st June 2014( date of receipt by me) equates to 63 days from the date sent or 65 days for date of receipt for Keeper liability. I wish to make it clear that I am not liable for this charge.

I am under no obligation to name the driver of this vehicle. It certainly was not me as I was working on both days mentioned and not in Truro. Without having to point out the other abnormalities in the letter

I consider this an end to the matter

xxxxxx

 

 

anything to add or omit?

 

 

I would take the red out, and add ' Any further correspondence from you regarding this matter will be treated as harassment, and dealt with accordingly. '

 

 

I would not be adding any information about yourself, as these sc@##£rs have no right to know.

[armadillo71]

For some reason I cannot edit my post above, but ' According t the BPA code of practice ' should be , POFA 2012 schedule 4, as this is what legally allows keeper liability.

[ericsbrother]

I would edit it to the words f**k off.

[moll 61]

Just received reply

 

Thank you for your email and acknowledging receipt of the NTO.

 

You are correct in the fact that POFA 2012 cannot be used because of the 56 day period, however the parking charges can and will be pursued through a debt recovery agency and a court of law because you have been notified within 6 months from the date of issue and the courts will instruct you to name the driver of your vehicle.

 

We do have photos of your vehicle as standard procedure as proof that your vehicle was at that location and would be used if necessary in court.

 

Many Thanks

 

What do the Caggers think?

[armadillo71]

Just received reply

 

Thank you for your email and acknowledging receipt of the NTO.

 

You are correct in the fact that POFA 2012 cannot be used because of the 56 day period, however the parking charges can and will be pursued through a debt recovery agency and a court of law because you have been notified within 6 months from the date of issue and the courts will instruct you to name the driver of your vehicle.

 

We do have photos of your vehicle as standard procedure as proof that your vehicle was at that location and would be used if necessary in court.

 

Many Thanks

 

What do the Caggers think?

 

Refer them to 'Arkell vs Pressdram ' then...

[moll 61]

Ha Armadillo, I had to look it up though. Is this a new tactic being used by these (just been tapping the keyboard for 5 mins thinking of a word) people?

[armadillo71]

No new tactic. Just the same old lies and empty threats from the PPC industry...

They can do nothing apart from send begging letters. They are too stupid to follow the rules that are there to help them chase the keeper.

[moll 61]

So do I just ignore now?

[armadillo71]

So do I just ignore now?

 

 

Yep...

You may get letters from their debt collector of choice, but they have NO power to do anything, apart from send letters.

[moll 61]

Many Thanks Armadillo

[ericsbrother]

They dont half sprout some cr*p, there is nothing in law that gives them the right to get you to name the driver and they know it. They arent going anywhere near a court as they would be paying out fortunes in counterclaim compensation. They just dont want to admit they are utterly and stupidly wrong as you might tell your friends that father christmas isnt real.

[moll 61]

Just received 2 begging letters from PCS stating "Driver must pay" they still don't know who that was. Very amateurish print all out of boxes etc.

Notice to Owner.

We have obtained your details as you were the registered keeper/owner of the vehicle at the time of parking. A Parking Charge has been issued because your vehicle was involved in breaching the stated terms and conditions of parking, which were clearly displayed and agreed to by the driver when your vehicle was parked on private land managed by our client Llawnroc Parking Services Ltd.

 

Despite a Parking Charge having already been issued, and placed on the screen of your vehicle, or sent to you by post, we have not received payment from the driver. The opportunity to pay at the reduced amount has passed and the full amount is now due.

 

Full payment must be made by the driver within 28 days of the date of this letter to avoid further action.

 

 

Sound familiar?

[armadillo71]

PCS-Parking Collection Services? You say very amateurish which figures.

This is a Poxburghe company.

 

Still having to chase the driver... who they do not know, and who you do not have to reveal to them.

 

I wouldn't bother replying. You may get another in two weeks with more red ink, but it can go no where.

[moll 61]

HAd all the usual threats then nothing since last year.

Just received a letter from a local debt collection agency (MIL Collections) saying they have been sold the debt.

The letter states intention of small claims court etc

final line says " Do not undderestimate the seriousness of this letter. You may NOT receive further communication from us prior to issue of small claims action.

Original tickets issue 2012!

[armadillo71]

HAd all the usual threats then nothing since last year.

Just received a letter from a local debt collection agency (MIL Collections) saying they have been sold the debt.

The letter states intention of small claims court etc

final line says " Do not undderestimate the seriousness of this letter. You may NOT receive further communication from us prior to issue of small claims action.

Original tickets issue 2012!

 

 

 

There is no debt to be sold until a court says that money is owed. No credit agreement was signed...

 

 

Has the drivers identity been confirmed?

 

 

Have you been sent formal notice of assignment of the ' debt ' by the PPC?

 

 

Original NTDs were 2014 weren't they?

 

 

MIL are issuing court papers but there is no keeper liability in your case so it would have to be in the drivers name.

[ericsbrother]

you could respond and tell them they have wasted their money buying a non-existent debt and any furhter demand will be reported as attempted fraud. However, that could be seen as a waste of a stamp as for several reasons it is clear that this cowboys haven bought any debt. DEAL at least sent out letters telling lies about the assignment of non-existent debt from people who hadnt given them any permission to do or say anything where these bandits cant even be bothered to tell lies to support their crooked claim.