Work Related Activity - Ingeus Health and Work Support Programme

[**Margaret**]

:Legislation:

 

Or praps lack of it. Unless anyone's found any 2012 onwards amendments to the Employment and Support Allowance (Work Related Activity) Regulations 2011;

 

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2011/1349/made

(Reg 3 (4) (b) (ii))

 

And the quote from the House of Lords debate;

 

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2011-05-19a.1563.0

(Para 9 of David Freud's 1st speech.)

 

Margaret.

[Charlotte_Henderson]

This is a very worrying development indeed. The only person you should be dealing with in regards to your health is obviously your doctor or any other specialist you have been assigned to.

 

Which of course is the correct answer, you're health problems are none of their business IMO

[will lliw]

Ingeus have now raised a doubt with DWP as they say i did not attend an appointment to be bullied and harrased. I have ofcourse informed DWP i did not recieve an invitation to the alleged appointment so await the decision.

 

I wish they would decide ether to stick us in the oven or just let us be, rather than continue to make life a misery.

[fletch70]

Even in jest do not give anyone ideas.

[Charlotte_Henderson]

 

I wish they would decide ether to stick us in the oven or just let us be, rather than continue to make life a misery.

 

They get a kick out of making our life's a misery you know that

[Chester6]

Ingeus have now raised a doubt with DWP as they say i did not attend an appointment to be bullied and harrased. I have ofcourse informed DWP i did not recieve an invitation to the alleged appointment so await the decision.

 

I wish they would decide ether to stick us in the oven or just let us be, rather than continue to make life a misery.

 

The whole idea with these schemes seems to be to make people sign off as opposed to being on these schemes and whichever benefits they receive

The schemes are there to appease the general public and go aid Ingeus and others to make money and to get people on benefits to think they are to blame for it

[will lliw]

Bit of an update, i have now attended 10 initial assessment sessions and i still refuse to sign any document Ingeus offer up except the petty cash sheet for my bus fare, they threaten me with sancitons but they cant do **** because still the law prevents them from forcing anybody to accept there help and the "attendance/consent" form is joke DO NOT SIGN.

 

Last week the adviser changed from this disgraced ex NHS employee ive had for all the appointments till now to a person claiming to be a psychologist, im not really happy at the way she carried on but i think i pretty much owned the session despite giving her some personal info "in general" that i made her work very hard and left her very clear that i do not want her help as a medical professional. She told me she was there purely to get the initial assessment and action plan done and signed off but nope that didnt happen no signee from moi lol. Next time I will not be so generous she will be asked of the questions she just asked is any of her business. ( Thankyou Mr P) Interestingly did you know the Ingeus invite letter says they can raise a sanction for failing to attend but it doesnt say anything about participation, as i keep telling these people attendance is participation and i can prove my attendance if oyu dare even try to rais a doubt by suggesting to DWP that i did not attend because i did not sign the attendance/consent form, oh they try.

 

"it might be a problem for you"

 

No my lovely, it wont be.

[Mr.P]

A link for you to peruse and print out should you need it: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/requirments_to_sign_any_document

 

On the Work Programme providers have the freedom to develop their own approaches to help participants into work. In doing this there is no mandatory requirement for participants on the Work Programme to sign action plans, health and safety documents, sign in sheets or acceptable behaviour documents and participants will not be sanctioned if they do not sign the documents.

 

As long as you remain calm and in control, there is little they can do.

[HannsG]

My employer has recently signed-up with the local work programme provider and as a result we have had a large influx of people on work placement join us (there are now more work placement people here than paid staff). What's really worrying is that it has only been a couple of weeks and there are already rumors that management are considering getting rid of the part-time staff.

[Mr.P]

hannsG: Do you have a union operating in your place of work ?

If you do, they should be taking an active role in protecting all jobs, part time and full time.

 

Perhaps you would also consider naming and shaming this employer via http://www.boycottworkfare.org/ - If there is a real job to do, they should be paying a genuine wage to everyone. if they do indeed make even one employee redundant, then it would be as well to contact the press, both locally and nationally.

[will lliw]

A link for you to peruse and print out should you need it: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/requirments_to_sign_any_document

 

 

 

As long as you remain calm and in control, there is little they can do.

 

Superb! Thanks Mr P.

 

Havent yet received an invite to my next Ingeus appointment and usually those invites come a day or two after the last appointment has been attended so seems something different is happening now but only the postman will be able to shed light on that so let him stay away lest i beat Ingeus over the head with a print out of your excellant FOI link!

 

cheers Mr.P!

[will lliw]

Interesting things happening today, havent heard from Ingeus since last visit to them and today received a brown envelope from the jobcentre plus.

 

The letter simply states I now have a work coach and he will be phoning me next week for an interview that i must attend to discuss the first steps towards moving into work, then the rest of the letter is sanction threats for not complying etc.

 

No notice at all that i'm no longer on the Ingeus health and work pilot scheme.