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As far as I know the job centre can do nothing about this, they cannot get feedback or ask the employer anything

 

 

If you actually apply using ujm then they can get feedback on it, as you only recorded details on ujm they have no right to ask employer anything

 

i didnt think the job centre could do anything either as its not a "matched vacancy" and since i applied for it on my own they cant do anything?

 

i never applied for the job through ujm i did it through another website but i put on my ujm that i applied for this vacancy so they cant exactly contact them or ask for feedback as the vacancy was not a matched one surely?

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IMO, putting it on ujm or writing things in your job book are the same, the job centre cannot ask employer for feedback on this, it is all confidential between you and the employer

 

 

I am sure I read this somewhere, but the only time they can get feedback is if you use the 'Apply Now' button on ujm, they can then check that you attended and the outcome etc

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IMO, putting it on ujm or writing things in your job book are the same, the job centre cannot ask employer for feedback on this, it is all confidential between you and the employer

 

 

I am sure I read this somewhere, but the only time they can get feedback is if you use the 'Apply Now' button on ujm, they can then check that you attended and the outcome etc

 

yeh was about to say it would not be fair for them to check people jobs on ujm but people who still do it on the book wouldnt really get checked.

 

but like it said i did not apply for it on the job centre site and did not click the "apply now" button so there is no way they can find out what goes on or do anything as its confidential between me and the employer ye?

 

plus not like am not actually going for interviews cause i have 2 interviews past few weeks and went to both so not like i dont want any but just not keen on this as it was just a job to cover the i looked for a job everyday.

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plus they said Could you advise if you would be available on Friday 11th July at 10:00 am to participate in an interview Please could you confirm your availability for an interview

 

so for one i have not replied to them so they dont know if i am free for a interview or that i have accepted the chance of a interview

 

surely they would look at the requirements for the job and then see my cv and it has no mention of food or beverage experience

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But they can penalize people who apply for jobs that they are unqualified for just to get something to fill in a log.

 

Damned if you do and damned if you don't isn't it? The jobcentre all too often makes it up as they go along

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plus they said Could you advise if you would be available on Friday 11th July at 10:00 am to participate in an interview Please could you confirm your availability for an interview

 

so for one i have not replied to them so they dont know if i am free for a interview or that i have accepted the chance of a interview

 

surely they would look at the requirements for the job and then see my cv and it has no mention of food or beverage experience

If it was on UJM Then i would be very careful if i was u and i would go to the interview because the jobcentre staffs version of the universal job match is being constantly updated so they can see in more detail what we are upto on there an what we have applied for and does it match what we write in our work books so be very careful


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Oh yea i forgot to say the last two Weeks i have seen advert for staff to work at Learn Direct to Do with the New Help To Work Scheme and the Mandatorty Work Scheme


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Also adverts for staff at Jobcentre plus to allocate candidates to the right course/scheme these are advertised by my local council i applied but was un succesful coz since then they hav 2 new young lads no older than 19 or 20 workin in my local jobcentre plus - how are they supposed to advise middle aged men an women about jobs and work when this is likely to be the first real job theyve had? An while i was there one of them appeard to be just reading the government website about guidelines so they can repeat it and pass it off as experienced advice - "Computer Says No"


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If it was on UJM Then i would be very careful if i was u and i would go to the interview because the jobcentre staffs version of the universal job match is being constantly updated so they can see in more detail what we are upto on there an what we have applied for and does it match what we write in our work books so be very careful

 

The job was on indeed but via another site I never applied for via the apply button on UJM so surely even writing it down on my book or UJM they can't excetly do much if it was not a "matched vacancy"? I applied for it on my own and at my own accord. And been told if u did put u applied for it and put it on your UJM or even your book then nothing they can do or the company they can't ask for feedback or ask any info without my permission which I don't need to give as that's why data protection is in place.

And If the job centre contact them or the company contact the job centre to contact someone and let them know so they can help me put a complaint in.

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I am sure I read this somewhere, but the only time they can get feedback is if you use the 'Apply Now' button on ujm, they can then check that you attended and the outcome etc

 

If it's a vacancy you found yourself on UJ, then the JC can't obtain feedback - even if you did apply via the 'Apply Now' button. It's still your vacancy.

 

Only if the adviser formally told you to apply for that job (matched vacancy) could they obtain feedback, no matter how you applied for it.

 

Once again it comes down to the JC advisers not knowing their own guidance - they assume that because you've listed it on UJ, they can check up on anything, whether matched vacancy or one you found all by yourself. By the time you find out they've done it and complain..they've already done it! Be very careful what you put on UJ.

 

At one time, applying for jobs where you didn't quite have the experience was looked upon as showing initiative, now the JC classes it as 'not trying'. Unbelievable!!!

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What if you go for the interview and they get a bit narked cuz you dont meet the requirements so they phone and complain to the job centre?

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If it's a vacancy you found yourself on UJ, then the JC can't obtain feedback - even if you did apply via the 'Apply Now' button. It's still your vacancy.

 

Only if the adviser formally told you to apply for that job (matched vacancy) could they obtain feedback, no matter how you applied for it.

 

Once again it comes down to the JC advisers not knowing their own guidance - they assume that because you've listed it on UJ, they can check up on anything, whether matched vacancy or one you found all by yourself. By the time you find out they've done it and complain..they've already done it! Be very careful what you put on UJ.

 

At one time, applying for jobs where you didn't quite have the experience was looked upon as showing initiative, now the JC classes it as 'not trying'. Unbelievable!!!

 

yeh i applied for it without the job centre telling me so i applied for it myself at my own accord so they have no rights to get involved in something they never gave me to apply for.

 

ye gonna watch what i put on it but end of the day if they ask for any info of the company or the company contact job centre i will be complaining because surely that is a break of DPA as it was not a "matched Vacancy"?

 

am still waiting on a reply from the company to ask about weather they know i dont have experience for food and beverage and is which it says on there job requirements they are looking for if they say yeh but u can still come for interview i think its a bit misleading if they have advertise a job looking for a food and beverage person with full experience and basically inviting someone who does not and then that could stop another person who does as the experience not getting a interview.

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What if you go for the interview and they get a bit narked cuz you dont meet the requirements so they phone and complain to the job centre?

 

why would they complain to the job centre about that?

 

was a misunderstanding when i looked the job over and noticed what i had done but surely even there team should notice that on there "job requirements that it says u must have the full experience of food and beverage experience" but yet i dont have any so why would they consider someone with no experience when they are looking for a experience person lol!

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If it's a vacancy you found yourself on UJ, then the JC can't obtain feedback - even if you did apply via the 'Apply Now' button. It's still your vacancy.

 

Only if the adviser formally told you to apply for that job (matched vacancy) could they obtain feedback, no matter how you applied for it.

 

Once again it comes down to the JC advisers not knowing their own guidance - they assume that because you've listed it on UJ, they can check up on anything, whether matched vacancy or one you found all by yourself. By the time you find out they've done it and complain..they've already done it! Be very careful what you put on UJ.

 

At one time, applying for jobs where you didn't quite have the experience was looked upon as showing initiative, now the JC classes it as 'not trying'. Unbelievable!!!

 

 

Thanks for clarifying

 

 

I only put generic wording down on UJM/Work booklet

ie Applied for XX at Town Name

 

 

If they want any more details on the job/proof then I show them confirmation email that I got from applying (this I take with me on my sign on day if they want to look at)

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Thanks for clarifying

 

 

I only put generic wording down on UJM/Work booklet

ie Applied for XX at Town Name

 

 

If they want any more details on the job/proof then I show them confirmation email that I got from applying (this I take with me on my sign on day if they want to look at)

 

i see what u mean.

 

getting fed up i have contacted the 3 emails that u do to ask for more info on this job if u have to have the experience and no reply yet thats been a day and still nothing getting quite fed up!

 

u would think a big company like it would reply to u or let u know that your email will be answered soon but nothing!

 

am not wasting a journey of over an hour for nothing know what i mean?

 

surely the job employer wouldnt contact the job centre to tell them. and another thing i have still not replied to the email to confirm if i want this interview or not so to them i may not have got the email yet.

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That is one of the things that annoys me

 

 

Sending emails to companies/agencies and they get ignored

Try phoning them and constantly get told the person is busy and they will call back, they never do

 

 

The only time they speak to you is if you are successful in getting an interview, then they ignore you again after that and don't tell you that you didn't get the job

 

 

I am sure this is just down to the number of people applying, but I am sure it wasn't like this 10 years ago

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That is one of the things that annoys me

 

 

Sending emails to companies/agencies and they get ignored

Try phoning them and constantly get told the person is busy and they will call back, they never do

 

 

The only time they speak to you is if you are successful in getting an interview, then they ignore you again after that and don't tell you that you didn't get the job

 

 

I am sure this is just down to the number of people applying, but I am sure it wasn't like this 10 years ago

 

yeh i have sent 3 emails even to the receptionist bit as they will surely reply to it or forward it on and the person who does interviews and the person who sent the email asking if i would attend or not but not a single reply and i need to know if they know that i have no experience at all in food and beverage and they might say its been a mistake as i don't think they have looked at it probable and noticed that i dont have any experience at all and if they say they have looked at it correct then i say well its a bit misleading that your asking for people for full experience and and i dont have any experience at all and am getting asked if i would attend a interview or not and there people who are with experience getting basically told no and missing out due to someone like me with no experience what so ever.

 

and another thing i dont see why the ujm does not have a remove button on it as all that money they spend on it and they dont even have something where i can say a have wrote that wrong i will delete that and do it again not sure if anyone else agrees with me on this one ?

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got email back saying "In regards to previous experience, it really is dependent on a number of things. If perhaps you have experience in something similar i.e. customer service then this would be taken into account. Sometimes if you haven’t worked specifically in a restaurant then you may have transferable skills gained from some other areas such as working experience or a club you take part in." but surely " Previous experience in food & beverage essential." i would not have any of this? i have sent my cv to see maybe if she will look at it and see that im maybe not the one to invite.

 

and when i reply she says that she is away to tuesday so now she wont be able to see my cv as she wont have emails as she will be on holiday aw ye great lol

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Sorry to see that you are still struggling to come to a decision on your next move. It is important that you realise and understand how UJM works.

 

Every time you log on to UJM your Account ID details along with the date and time is recorded. Likewise every time you log off. That way they have a record of how long you spent on the site.

 

Every page you spend time on and how long, every job advertisement that you spend time on and how long is similarly recorded. Every job you apply for via UJM is also recorded. All the notes, or whatever, you add are also recorded.

 

All this is not to help you to get a job. It is to monitor your “Actively seeking work” activities. The system itself is set up to seek out and highlight discrepancies. On discovering a discrepancy it automatically sets off a ‘doubt’ signal. The ‘doubt’ signal sets the sanctioning procedure in motion.

 

So, you see, all the above can be done without the aid of hand or eye. The adviser will accept it as sufficient that the system has raised a doubt based on your own activities and entries and he/she will not question it. Those advisers aren’t programmed to contradict or second guess the machine. The whole system would collapse in a day if advisers could over-rule the machine whenever it suited them.

 

Now every employer, or agency working on his behalf, who uses UJM to advertise jobs must also open an Account before they can use it. That Account must be accessible to DWP. All the checks that can be carried out on your Account and more can be carried out on an employers’ Account. If an employer’s job advertisement appears on UJM it means that that employer, or an agency working on his behalf, has a UJM Account and whichever way a potential employee applies for that job, even if you replied by tying a message to a pigeons’ leg, their Account will show it. If their Account shows it, DWP will see it.

 

In this case you know that the job was advertised on UJM yet you chose to apply for it by other means. They know by now that you have applied by other means, not least because you told them, and they might wish to question you on why you did not apply via UJM, which would have been the simplest way to apply and because you promised them that you would use it. At the very least they might have you for treason, at most, if you use as your defence the explanation that you have given here, attempting with malice aforethought to defraud Her Majesty’s Department of Work and Pensions. I can see 8 years in Barlinnie as a bare minimum. Your only possible chance now would be if Scotland votes ‘YES’ in September and English writ no longer ran in Scotland.

 

I’m afraid that along with Jasta11 and Pauls33 you may be under a misapprehension if you believe that the DWP can’t contact an employer or potential employer about an employee or potential employee.

 

Either the people advertising the job must have placed the job ad directly onto UJM, in which case they have to have an Account with UJM, or they advertised it via an agency and that agency placed the job ad on UJM, in which case they must have an Account with UJM. Neither the agency advertising on behalf of the employer, nor the owners of UJM, Monster Inc. acting for the agency, provide this service for nothing. Those paying for the service would be justified in making enquiries if the service they received was less than adequate. So the employer could complain about your behaviour and seek redress from the agency it uses, and that agency could complain and seek redress from UJM.

 

 

Along with the UJM link there is this:

 

The Welfare Reform and Pensions Act 1999 (Section 72) (Relevant Authority) Designation Order 2013 came into effect on 17 July 2013. From this date, where a person in receipt of JSA has been notified about a job by an Employment Officer, that employer is designated as a relevant authority. This means that that employer, or the employees of that organisation, can share with DWP information regarding whether or not a JSA claimant applied for the job in question.

From this it may be possible for an Employment Officer who notified any claimant anywhere about the job you have applied for to designate that employer as a 'relevant authority' and as such entitle the DWP to ask any questions it chooses.

 

It is staggering how easy it is for the system to find out everything it needs to know, and everything it doesn’t need to know, come to that.

 

PS:

Do they do catering or cookery courses at Barlinnie?

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I'm sorry Lapsed Workaholic but where do you get your authority from? I worked as a civil servant in DWP until last year and I must say you are talking absolute rot.

 

I realise I've just joined this site and don't want my first post to be negative, but when I read such blatant misinformation written in such a high-handed manner I just can't hold my tongue.

 

(I realise this is an open forum for benefit/disability advice, and I haven't read the previous posts from him, so if he has long standing mental health, alcoholism, drug addictions, Aspergers issues - or just too much time on his hands, then I apologise).

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Hello Brenty and welcome to the site.

 

 

Always ready to admire anyone who comes out fighting their corner.

 

 

If you can point out an example of "blatant misinformation" or "high-handedness" feel free to enlighten me so that I might have a chance to respond.

 

 

I suffer from nothing on your list although it does not surprise me that someone of your own pre-eminence should think that anyone daring to challenge you should.

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If like me you have been to pubs and restaurants you could say you have had experiance of food and beverage all be it as a customer eating and drinking it lol

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"Every time you log on to UJM your Account ID details along with the date and time is recorded. Likewise every time you log off. That way they have a record of how long you spent on the site.

 

Every page you spend time on and how long, every job advertisement that you spend time on and how long is similarly recorded. Every job you apply for via UJM is also recorded. All the notes, or whatever, you add are also recorded."

 

Erm... No! DWP *WISHES* UJM was that sophisticated but take it from someone who watched it being developed and implemented, same as the billion dollar NHS cock-up integrated software - it sure as hell can't do what you think it does. And to suggest it does makes me think you are unecessarily paranoid, (in addition to your constant self-aggrandizing purple prose was suggesting to me either alcoholism, MH issues).

 

We're all here to help though ultimately, so no offence is meant to you personally, it's just easy for you to be an internet weekend warrior without really having any experience?

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Brenty are you here to missinform us?

Somehow I dont believe you. Maybe because the evidence says different.

Oh well, have a nice day and I look forward to reading more posts from you in due course.

And yeh I do have MH and alcohol issues :-)

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