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    • Thought I'd let you know. Despite not needing to, Parcel2Go have very kindly authorised a refund to cover the speakers. I am very impressed and surprised given the contract didn't require this. Thanks for all the advice - I thought it only fair to make sure they got some credit for doing the right thing. I will be using them again.  
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    • Please can you put up in PDF format – simply the documents that you are relying on as proof of payment. Redact them for account numbers et cetera. We don't need to see images of the damage et cetera. I understand that you are trying to recover £150 plus the delivery costs including the insurance cover – is this correct? What is the total value of this?
    • By the way, have sweatband.com actually refused to take responsibility for this now? Are they standing by the manufacturers position that it should not have been kept in a garage?
    • Sweatband.com like many of these online retailers – and also retail shops – which sell their goods, make all sorts of claims for their customer service et cetera – but when things go wrong they refer you to the manufacturer. Of course this can be a very sensible arrangement because the manufacturer is better placed to deal with the problem – but we tend to find that very often the manufacturer is pretty reluctant and of course because they are not the retailer, there really not too bothered about their customer-facing reputation. So as has been suggested by my site team colleague above, you are being fobbed off. Secondly, any attempt now to start saying that the treadmill should not be used in the garage – when this has not been referred to at all when it was being sold to you, is in effect introducing a new term into an existing contract. This means that it has no effect whatsoever and is not binding. Sweatband.com are bound by the law of contract and also by the Consumer Rights Act 2015. You are entitled to purchase a treadmill which is of satisfactory quality and remains that way for a reasonable period of time – and you are quite right, it hasn't matched up to those standards and so sweatband.com are in breach of contract. It has nothing to do with the manufacturer. If the manufacturer really wants to say that it should be kept in a garage then that's between them and sweatband. It's especially telling that according to you sweatband have actually said that this is a great thing to keep in your garage. I would suggest that you go around the Internet – trust pilot et cetera putting up reviews about sweatband – who as I have said after fobbing you off and letting you down – but also you should put up separate reviews about this particular brand of treadmill and make sure everybody sees that even the manufacturer is saying that it should be kept in a garage and that they won't stand by their product when it breaks down after three months. I can imagine that the person who said this to you from the manufacturer will get a bit of a talking to. Maybe you can tell us the make and model number of this treadmill so that references to it will come up in Google hits in the future. The situation as advised by my site team colleague is that as it has failed within the first six months, the retailer is entitled to one single opportunity to carry out a repair and failing that they are obliged either to replace the item or to give your refund at your option. These are rights which have been created by the Consumer Rights Act 2015. These rights should be asserted in writing You should write to the retailer immediately and put them on notice that you are asserting your rights under the 2015 act and you are giving them a single opportunity to repair the treadmill. Tell them that given its size and its weight, it will have to be repaired at your home unless sweatband.com want to take responsibility for picking it up and selling it to whoever they want to get it repaired by. I can imagine sweatband won't be happy about this and you are going to find everybody's going to start dragging their feet. I can imagine also that sweatband would try to up the ante by saying that it is your responsibility to return the treadmill to them. That would be wrong. The treadmill is defective. Sweatband are in breach – and it is up to them to deal with the problem. I think you will need to be quite assertive and I would suggest that your letter to them should give them a seven day window to let you know what the arrangements are and that the treadmill should be repaired or replaced in any event within 14 days. Please keep us informed as to what happens. Just so you know what we will advise if sweatband don't step up to the mark – if they don't let you have a satisfactory response within the first seven days then we will be suggesting that you begin the claims process by sending them a letter of claim – which then leads to a small claim in the County Court. This is not something you should worry about. Your chances of success are much better than 95% and I can imagine that at the end of the day sweatband.com don't want this kind of trouble and once they realise that you are happy to confront them, they will buckle down. Of course you never know – maybe they are going to act brilliantly and respond correctly immediately – in which case it will be kudos to them. Let's see  
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    • Hi @BankFodder
      Sorry for only updating you now, but after your guidance with submitting the claim it was pretty straight forward and I didn't want to unnecessarily waste your time. Especially with this guide you wrote here, so many thanks for that
      So I issued the claim on day 15 and they requested more time to respond.
      They took until the last day to respond and denied the claim, unsurprisingly saying my contract was with Packlink and not with them.
       
      I opted for mediation, and it played out very similarly to other people's experiences.
       
      In the first call I outlined my case, and I referred to the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 as the reason to why I do in fact have a contract with them. 
       
      In the second call the mediator came back with an offer of the full amount of the phone and postage £146.93, but not the court costs. I said I was not willing to accept this and the mediator came across as a bit irritated that I would not accept this and said I should be flexible. I insisted that the law was on my side and I was willing to take them to court. The mediator went back to Hermes with what I said.
       
      In the third call the mediator said that they would offer the full amount. However, he said that Hermes still thought that I should have taken the case against Packlink instead, and that they would try to recover the court costs themselves from Packlink.
       
      To be fair to them, if Packlink wasn't based in Spain I would've made the claim against them instead. But since they are overseas and the law lets me take action against Hermes directly, it's the best way of trying to recover the money.
       
      So this is a great win. Thank you so much for your help and all of the resources available on this site. It has helped me so much especially as someone who does not know anything about making money claims.
       
      Many thanks, stay safe and have a good Christmas!
       
       
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Bought an iPhone 5s in November from Apple - it developed a fault problem. Took it back to store - they confirmed it was a fault - but only offered to replace it with a refurbished phone.

 

Said no - cause i did not want to end up after two months with second hand phone (with new T&Cs).

 

Also does not feel fair or legal !!

 

What should i do ? Any ideas

 

Thanks

 

Ed

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Hi red-ed

 

There is no reason at all why you should except a refurbished phone. How did you pay? Assuming it was Credit Card or Visa Debit. Ask to do a chargeback.

 

http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/problem/how-do-i-use-chargeback

 

or

 

Write a Formal Letter of Complaint, mark it as such. Explain that having purchased a new product, for it to be faulty after two months is unacceptable, tell them you want it replaced with a new one or a full refund. If they do replace it, find a way to establish that it's not a 'Refurbished' one.

 

Send it to :-

 

Apple UK - Mr Mark Rogers -

Managing Director

 

rogers.m@apple.com

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Thank you rebel11 - i will write to Apple as advised. You advise re. checking the replacement phone is not reburbished is also very valid as I no longer trust Apple. FYI - the so called store manager become very unhelpful when i declined the refurbished phone - and then down right rude when dared to suggest that English consumer trumped Apple policy.

 

Ed

 

PS - i am of the view that big stores deliberately train their staff in policy rather consumer law to try and dupe their customers into accepting rotten resolutions.

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I’ve had this with Apple regarding an iPad.

 

After 2 months I would want a new replacement, not a refurb. Seeing as Apple are not playing ball change your request to a refund and not a replacement. You might be able to source a replacement cheaper elsewhere.

 

Their refurbs are better than most though, the casing is brand new it’s only the insides that are second hand.

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Update

 

Apple claim that it is entirely within their rights to replace a brand new but faulty iPhone with a full warranty a second hand refurbished phone with a limited warranty (just 3 months - and they will replace again with another second had phone) because they class this as a REPAIR not replacement.

 

Are they being clever are they wrong !!!

 

Ed

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