Cash4phones - creditors meeting - 13th Jan Please retweet - https://cag.tw/tf7

[unibumuk]

I have the bank account details too. Should I email you again?

[BankFodder]

I have the bank account details too. Should I email you again?

 

Yes please. Do you have a copy of a cheque which they issued? How did you get the details.

 

Please email them to me at our admin address. If you have a copy of a cheque then please scan it to me.

[unibumuk]

I got them through the Facebook group.

 

Have no cheque or anything from them other than the correspondence that they received my phone and a screen shot of my account with them

[BankFodder]

Thanks for the details. If you find that anyone has a copy of a cheque, I'd like to get hold of one.

 

So far as filling the forms are concerned - I'm afraid that I have no expereince but I would say that one should fill in all forms. You could call Cap Books - they are probably quite approachable.

[Tom0151]

Hi, new here... I sent 3 phones back in October (£315)

I'll be sending the forms back with letter of judgement which I used in December, copy of Royal Mail receipt & email received from C4P with payment pending.

 

Would "Apriumben" let me add your name to my form??

 

Thanks

[BankFodder]

I'm not sure how these meetings are conducted - but if you are a creditor, then I expect that you would be entitled to ask for full bank account details, bank statements, names of previous bank accounts and statements - as well as accounts.

I think that it would be reasonable to require all of this information to be given by sworn affidavit.

Might be an idea to give Cap Books notice that you require this.

 

Any material you get, please do let me have a copy and I will make sure that it is sent on to the appropriate recipient.

[sambaxter3103]

I have reported to my local police. I have received the forms, can someone post a copy of their completed proof of debt form to assist me in completing mine?

[Chipmeister]

I have reported to my local police. I have received the forms, can someone post a copy of their completed proof of debt form to assist me in completing mine?

 

Please see post #45 of this thread where you will find proxy completion guidance.All the best,CM

[sambaxter3103]

I have now reported to my local police. I have received the proof of debt form. Can someone post a completed form to assist me with completing mine?Thanks

[BankFodder]

I'm not sure that you will get sight of a completed form

Post the question you are unsure of

[Chipmeister]

I'm not sure how these meetings are conducted - but if you are a creditor, then I expect that you would be entitled to ask for full bank account details, bank statements, names of previous bank accounts and statements - as well as accounts.

I think that it would be reasonable to require all of this information to be given by sworn affidavit.

Might be an idea to give Cap Books notice that you require this.

 

Any material you get, please do let me have a copy and I will make sure that it is sent on to the appropriate recipient.

 

What will happen is that the directors will have provided various information in respect of the company to the proposed liquidators which will be presented to the meeting.

 

Each attendee will receive a copy, and if you aren't able to attend the meeting the appointed liquidators will send you a copy as standard through the post.

 

This information is made up of a history of the company, extracts from the previous 3 years' accounts,

a deficiency account, a document called a statement of affairs which shows all the assets and all the liabilities of the company,

and details of all the creditors and the amounts that they are owed as per the directors' records.

 

The creditors present should be given time to review the documentation and will be able to raise questions.

 

If the creditors decide they wish to form a liquidaiton commitee they will be given this opportunity at the meeting (please see post #30 of this thread.)

 

The company's bank details, statements etc will not be available to creditors to view at any stage of the proceedings.

 

Once appointed, the liquidators will take possession of the books and records of the company to allow them to prepare their report

on the conduct of the company directors and file it with DBIS (again i would refer you to post #30 of this thread.)

 

Please be advised that the contents of this reports remains between the liquidators and DBIS!

 

I hope that this is of help.

 

All the best,CM

 

 

BTW, I would refer people to post #45 of this thread for proxy completion guidance.

[BankFodder]

What will happen is that the directors will have provided various information in respect of the company to the proposed liquidators which will be presented to the meeting. Each attendee will receive a copy, and if you aren't able to attend the meeting the appointed liquidators will send you a copy as standard through the post.

This information is made up of a history of the company, extracts from the previous 3 years' accounts, a deficiency account, a document called a statement of affairs which shows all the assets and all the liabilities of the company, and details of all the creditors and the amounts that they are owed as per the directors' records. The creditors present should be given time to review the documentation and will be able to raise questions.

 

If the creditors decide they wish to form a liquidaiton commitee they will be given this opportunity at the meeting (please see post #30 of this thread.)

 

The company's bank details, statements etc will not be available to creditors to view at any stage of the proceedings.

 

Once appointed, the liquidators will take possession of the books and records of the company to allow them to prepare their report on the conduct of the company directors and file it with DBIS (again i would refer you to post #30 of this thread.) Please be advised that the contents of this reports remains between the liquidators and DBIS!I hope that this is of help.

 

All the best,CM

 

 

BTW, I would refer people to post #45 of this thread for proxy completion guidance.

 

Thanks for this. Very useful - and disappointing!

[overcharg3d]

Hi all,

 

err so who do I want to proxy vote for me then? I certainly can't come from Cornwall on a ~£200 return train to come and hopefully get towards some of the £225 I expected for my phones. Is "Apriumben" the voice for all of us that can't be there? Is there a real name to put into the form?

 

Cheers, T

[BankFodder]

Hi all,

 

err so who do I want to proxy vote for me then? I certainly can't come from Cornwall on a ~£200 return train to come and hopefully get towards some of the £225 I expected for my phones. Is "Apriumben" the voice for all of us that can't be there? Is there a real name to put into the form?

 

Cheers, T

As advised above. Please email the admin address - put "creditor" in the subj. line.

Also email Cap Books for a form. Do it quickly

 

By the way - the Trainline shows the cheapest return at £105.

http://www.thetrainline.com/buytickets/combinedmatrix.aspx?Command=TimeTable#Journey/PNZ/182/13/01/14/6/15/Dep/13/01/14/18/30/Dep/1/0//0;0;0

- I still agree with you that it's not worth it, though

[overcharg3d]

Thanks BankFodder

 

Went to London a couple of months ago and remembered the £200 - 2 adults went so lol, yep, £100ish each. I only remembered how much came out the bank for it. Not to mention this time I'd have to take my kids along and be fined by the school for them not being there etc, add in a night staying up there - not happening. Thanks for checking though.

 

Thanks for the mention to email admin, I missed it in the other panic I've been having today. Got the form last night, been filling in now.

[Apriumben]

Apriumben, I don't know anything about you so apologies if this post seems presumptuous.

 

Presumably you are a licensed insolvency practitioner and can provide a consent to act to show the meeting?

 

If you are not an IP, presumably you are a creditor. If you are an IP and a creditor you have a conflict of interest ;@)

 

Colin has already addressed the other points I was going to raise. The best option is to form a liquidation committee at the Section 98 meeting. You need a minimum of 3 and a maximum of 5 proving creditors - there will be a section of the meeting to allow the creation of such a committee.

 

The liquidators will have 6 months from the date of their appointment to prepare and submit a report

on the directors' conduct to the Department of Business for Innovation and Skills. DBIS will review this report and make the decision whether to take the investigation any further. Please note that this report is not made public.

 

I hope this post has been of some help.

 

All the best,

CM

All advice on this is helpful, I am not a practitioner of any of the black arts and do not pretend anything other than a desire to see this through and a reasonable grasp of English and basic consumer law. I have a lot to learn before the meeting on Monday!

[Chipmeister]

All advice on this is helpful, I am not a practitioner of any of the black arts and do not pretend anything other than a desire to see this through and a reasonable grasp of English and basic consumer law. I have a lot to learn before the meeting on Monday!

 

Glad to have been of help! The purpose of the S98 meeting is mainly to agree the appointment of liquidators and to form a liquidation committee, which I think in this instance would be a good idea. Once liquidators have been appointed the company will be governed by The Insolvency Act, and no legal action can be brought against the company.

 

Bear in mind that as a creditor you can turn up at the meeting as long as you are clutching a completed proxy form and details of your claim. If you do this you cannot be turned away from the meeting.

 

Personally I think it's a bit sneaky to hold a Section 98 meeting on a Monday as it makes the proxy filing deadline midday on Friday, (being the last working day before the meeting) but doing so is not breaking any law, and being armed with the above info should help if you are in a position to attend the meeting but can't get your proxy to the proposed liquidators before midday tomorrow. Proxies can also be accepted by fax but oddly enough some insolvency practitioners won't accept scanned proxies sent by email, so that is also worth checking.

 

All the best,

CM

[Grotesque]

Also, you may want to inform the police that the man they may be looking for may be at 122 Hither Green Lane, Hither Green, London, SE13 6QA, on 13 January 2014, at 11.15

 

Will the bill really turn up sweet, Id like to see that. He might end up a door or two away from his compatriot Asil

[overcharg3d]

I updated my Action Fraud case about the meeting but nice as the guy was, it appears he didn't seem to know what was going on or why it mattered that we knew where this dodgy geezer is meant to be showing up. Information entered, case updated.. no idea if anything will come of it.

[Chipmeister]

Will the bill really turn up and nick him?! ****ing sweet, Id like to see that. He might end up a door or two away from his compatriot Asil

 

I don't know the name of the name of the guy you are looking for and I'm not sure if it's prudent to post it on this thread.

 

However, you can see from Companies House that Yemonia Limited has had more directorship changes in the last 18 months than most people have had hot dinners!!

 

You will also note from Companies House that it has had 2 company name changes.

 

But do not fear, the appointed liquidator not only investigates the current directors (who have only been in office since 31 October 2013)

but any person who has been a director in the three years prior to the liquidation,

 

so in a nutshell, any director who was in office from 13 January 2011 to 12 January 2014.

 

I bring this up as it is likely the director who turns up for the meeting Monday may not know anything about the company's trading practices

and even if he does, may plead ingnorance as he's only officially been in office as director since 31 October 2013.

 

Also, only one director is required to represent the company at the liquidation meeting so it may not even be the guy you are after :@(All the best,CM

[Curlaine1234]

Hi,

Does anyone know who is going to the litigation hearing on Monday

[Chipmeister]

Hi,

Does anyone know who is going to the litigation hearing on Monday

 

Hello,It's not a litigation hearing on Monday, but a meeting to place the company into liquidation.All the best,CM

[Apriumben]

I will be making a full report on here sometime Monday,

 

but as I had a full day without the hassle of getting over to Hither Green I'm not sure what time Monday that will be.

 

If anyone else who turns up care to post on here before me then have no worries over stealing my thunder!

 

I will also try and get there as early as possible to get a chance to speak to whoever else turns up.

 

Should be an interesting if frustrating day!

[AmandaC2601]

Good Luck being severely sight impaired i couldnt make it from Stoke anyway but i shall be wishing bad things for there directors and there woman who answered the phone Roda grr

[Apriumben]

From HMRC: A liquidation committee is a small group of representative creditors appointed by all the creditors to assist the liquidator in conducting the liquidation.

 

At all Section 98 meetings the liquidator is obliged to ask whether the creditors wish to form a committee. The chairman will ask whether any creditors wish to put themselves forward as members of the committee and then all creditors present will vote on whether they are prepared to allow that creditor to sit on the committee. Voting is by a simple majority, based on the value of each attending creditor’s debt.

 

If not appointed at the Section 98 meeting, a committee can be formed at a later meeting.

 

The minimum number of creditors needed to form a committee is 3. The maximum number of creditors who can sit on a committee is 5. If there are less than 3 creditors attending the Section 98 meeting in person then a committee cannot be formed at that meeting.

 

So basically there must be at least 3 creditors present and willing to act on a committee before it can be formed. Although proxy votes will be counted as far as passing resolutions are concerned, they don't affect this requirement (or so I read it). So unless at least 2 other creditors turn up that are willing to act on a committee, we will be sunk in that regard.