Ambiguous notice ?

[Consumer dude]

I have often seen on more then one occasion a notice on a card machine on a train platform that states it is a legal requirement to purchase a ticket before boarding the train. I would like to know that in the absence of a ticket office and there being no requirement to use a card for payment how it would be possible to pay for a ticket in advance of travel.

[Consumer dude]

Bump..

[Annie71]

I see machines for permits for travel where you put in what cash you have to show you are making the effort. There is one at warwick parkway.

[Consumer dude]

I see machines for permits for travel where you put in what cash you have to show you are making the effort. There is one at warwick parkway.

 

I know the ones you means. That serves the purpose of covering one legally until your journey ends. What I am getting at is implying a legal obligation exists but with no way of fulfilling such..

[honeybee13]

Hello CD.

 

This has been covered many times on threads here, if yo have a read around.

 

From memory, if you are really unable to buy a ticket before you board the train, you need to find a ticket inspector on the train in order to buy one.

 

I'm sure the forum regulars will be along to comment.

 

HB

[firstclassx]

I have often seen on more then one occasion a notice on a card machine on a train platform that states it is a legal requirement to purchase a ticket before boarding the train. I would like to know that in the absence of a ticket office and there being no requirement to use a card for payment how it would be possible to pay for a ticket in advance of travel.

 

If you have a payment card, with sufficient funds attached to the account you should use the machine prior to travel. The railway would have provided a facility for you to purchase the appropriate ticket, and if you elect not to use that, then you are on some dodgy ground.

 

If you genuinely have no valid cards, and 100% certain, no other options are available such as PERTIS, ticket office etc, you must buy your ticket at the first available oppertunity, which may include seeking out the conductor or revenue staff- I.e. you shouldn't just wait for them to (try and) find you.

 

If you failed to use a card only achine, and tried to pay by card on board then you would DEFINITELY be on dodgy ground and liable to prosecution.

[Consumer dude]

Some people don't feel comfortable using card machines and time people don't want to

Is there a legal obligation to do so..

[Consumer dude]

Further to this issue, The notice would state the legal obligation to purchase before boarding the train but then giving you the option at the end of the notice to pay on the train. In my opinion that is an ambiguous notice unless I'm mistaken and would be a defense in a court not to use the card machine..

[Ganymede]

If there is a card only machine and you have a card that has sufficient funds then it's fairly obvious that you must purchase a ticket from said machine before boarding the train.

 

If you only carry cash you must seek out a conductor on the train as far as I am aware.

[Grotesque]

The reason it is a legal obligation is that it if you board a train with a ticket, you have an express contract with the railway company; if you board without one, you have an implied contract- but still a contract. Since the company's half of the contract (you being transported) is being fulfilled on the one hand, you then have the afore-mentioned 'obligation' to fulfil your part of it: by paying for it. Which is non-negotiable, so has to be paid for, and that is up to the passenger, rather than the company. So, if you do not have the means of payment the company wants (or, indeed, have one it doesn't want, e.g., often an Electron card), you should not travel. If there is a MoP available prior to travelling, then the co. doesn't care if you've got the money; you need to have actually spent it on 'them' first.

 

Know wot I mean.

[Consumer dude]

Some people don't like machines and have no desire to use them..

[Ganymede]

Not an excuse really.

[Consumer dude]

If there is a card only machine and you have a card that has sufficient funds then it's fairly obvious that you must purchase a ticket from said machine before boarding the train.

 

 

 

If you only carry cash you must seek out a conductor on the train as far as I am aware.

 

I disagree as if I have a card, it can be used for other reasons other than a machine transaction so with that I do not believe it is obvious that I have to use that card before I board the train..

[Grotesque]

Some people don't like machines and have no desire to use them..

 

Then they travel... by means of something OTHER than the train! It's a fair deal.

[Consumer dude]

Not an excuse really.

 

Ok, put another way, some people can't use them..

[honeybee13]

Why not? Or if they can't use cards, they could carry cash, couldn't they?

 

HB

[Consumer dude]

Why not? Or if they can't use cards, they could carry cash, couldn't they?

 

HB

 

Yes, but card machine does not accept cash..

[Grotesque]

Yes, but card machine does not accept cash..

 

Which is missing the point; it is NOT up to the passenger to decide how to pay for his journey. S/he either pays, or does not travel. End of. It is a legal contract between the passenger and the railway company.

[honeybee13]

Yes, but card machine does not accept cash..

 

Fair enough, but if you don't want to use the system that is there to use, I would say you need to make other arrangements.

 

Forgive me, but didn't we start this thread about ambiguous notices?

 

HB

[Consumer dude]

Which is missing the point; it is NOT up to the passenger to decide how to pay for his journey. S/he either pays, or does not travel. End of. It is a legal contract between the passenger and the railway company.

 

I hear what your saying but does not help those individuals that for what ever reason can't use the machine..

[Ganymede]

Ok, put another way, some people can't use them..

 

 

It's not hard. Unless you're referring to visually impaired people etc.

[Consumer dude]

Fair enough, but if you don't want to use the system that is there to use, I would say you need to make other arrangements.

 

Forgive me, but didn't we start this thread about ambiguous notices?

 

HB

 

Some people might not be able to use the machine.

 

Yes it did start with the point of ambiguous notices, it just developed really..

[Ganymede]

Some people might not be able to use the machine.

 

Yes it did start with the point of ambiguous notices, it just developed really..

 

 

 

 

If you know you can't use the machine then carry cash with you!

[Consumer dude]

It's not hard. Unless you're referring to visually impaired people etc.

 

What about anyone with a learning disability even ?

[Consumer dude]

If you know you can't use the machine then carry cash with you!

 

No good in a card only machine is it now ?