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Cash4Phones - got CCJ against them..should i use bailiffs to enforce it...


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This is my frist time dealing with any thing like this and I feel a bit out of my depth. I started procedures against Cash4Phones some time ago but have heard nothing from them. This is what's happened so far:

 

Issue date: 29/10/2013

 

I sent in my iPhone 4 to Cash4Phones,

promised between £130 and £140. I was instead

then quoted £54.60 due to 'excessive wear and

tear.' However, the phone was spotless and

could have been sold 'as new' quite easily. I

Googled feedback from the company and it

seems that this is standard practise. I

argued and it was eventually raised to £100.

I accepted, albeit begrudgingly. Apparantly

that is standard practise too.

 

I spent hours on hold over a spread of 3

days. My mobile and home phone bill increased

by £52. Sometimes, the phone would be picked

up, someone would burp loudly, and then put

the phone down again, or pick it up and just

put it straight down again. I then had to

ring again and go back on hold.

 

I recived a cheque for £100 after 23 days

instead of 10. I am hereby claiming my phone

bill, plus the difference between the

original quoted price of £130 and what I

actually recieved.

After waiting a month, there has been no defence and so a judgement by default was issued on 29/11/2013. There has been no reply to this as of 03/12/13.According to MCOL, the only option I have now is to issue a warrant, which would cost £100. At this point, they owe me £107 so that seems a bit pointless.

 

I used this address:

Cash4phones

 

15 Gateway Mews

 

Ring Way

 

London

 

N11 2UT

...but how do I know that's their offices? It could just be their warehouse or whatever.

 

 

I am in receipt of ESA and cannot really afford this easily. I suffer from mental health issues which complicates things. (Schizophrenia, depression, post-traumatic stress)

 

What to do? Thanks so much in advance.

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I would issue a warrant which will be added to the bill.

 

They could challenge the ccj but hardly worth it for them.

 

Likelihood is that they'll pay up when pushed. Prob many people screwed over and the odd claim viewed as an inevitable small risk

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You have done very well to get any money at all.

 

Read through this forum and the recent threads about this company.

 

I would suggest that you hold off enforcement until there is clear information available as to the whereabouts of any the people involved.

You have your judgment. You can issue a warrant very quickly if it becomes possible to enforce it.

At the moment, I don't fancy your chances.

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After reading other threads, I agree with bankfodder. My suggestion was a little too kneejerk so ill read up more in future before responding

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could you not apply for a high court writ to be enforced ?

 

This can be an extremely expensive option if the enforcement is not successful. But anyway, the judgment has to be for a minimum of £600, I believe.

High Court enforcement will have just the same difficulties as bailiffs if Cash4phones can not be found.

 

Inform the police and inform trading standards

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At this time bailiffs would be a complete waste of money. Wouldnt surprise me at all if this greek guy was reselling the phones on ebay.

 

Did anyone think to call the phone operator and get the imei cancelled?

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Who have you got judgment against?

 

If it is just 'Cash4phones' then this is just a trading name and is a non-entity making enforcement very difficult. You always need to ensure you sue the correct party.

 

Cash4phones is a trading name of C4P Trading Limited, a company registered in England (Company No: 06300042). They have multiple CCJ's recorded against them and appear to be trading from a virtual office.

 

The sums are too low to use an HCEO so you're stuck with the County Court Bailiffs, who are often pretty ineffective in usual circumstances let alone one where the entity may not exist.

 

I'd be tempted to cut your losses.

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I'd be tempted to cut your losses.

 

And let them just get away with it?

 

No. I certainly won`t do that.

 

I`m aware they may read this board so i`ll be going quiet on exactly my efforts for now. But they`re for much more than they bargained for.

 

Also good luck to the OP, you`re not alone, m8.

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And let them just get away with it?

 

No. I certainly won`t do that.

 

I`m aware they may read this board so i`ll be going quiet on exactly my efforts for now. But they`re for much more than they bargained for.

 

Unless you find where they are, you wont be able to do anything. If you find the owner, you cant do anything apart from call the police, as your claim is on the company, and if he;s done this to thousands of people, i can guarantee he wont be stupid enough to write a personal guarantee against his company.

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Who have you got judgment against?

 

If it is just 'Cash4phones' then this is just a trading name and is a non-entity making enforcement very difficult. You always need to ensure you sue the correct party.

 

Cash4phones is a trading name of C4P Trading Limited, a company registered in England (Company No: 06300042). They have multiple CCJ's recorded against them and appear to be trading from a virtual office.

 

The sums are too low to use an HCEO so you're stuck with the County Court Bailiffs, who are often pretty ineffective in usual circumstances let alone one where the entity may not exist.

 

I'd be tempted to cut your losses.

 

There must be an office from which staff actually work from, other posts have pointed to recent job adverts. Although it may be there is little actually owning to the company on site, although I suspect that there would be enough to satisfy a single ccj.

 

Trouble is where is this 'office', I was tempted to respond to the recent job ad but its not quite my area of expertise although it was an IT role.

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And let them just get away with it?

 

No. I certainly won`t do that.

 

I`m aware they may read this board so i`ll be going quiet on exactly my efforts for now. But they`re for much more than they bargained for.

 

Also good luck to the OP, you`re not alone, m8.

 

I fully understand your position but sometimes you have to make a commercial decision. We see many cases where people throw good money after bad.

 

I wish you both luck and genuinely hope you get paid what you're owed.

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There probably arent any jobs at all. Some companies who operate like this, just advertise to make it look like theyre a professional company. If anyone applies, they can easily say " sorry, you dont meet our requirements".

 

Like i said, i wouldnt at all be surprised if he is flogging these on ebay or somewhere else.

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There probably arent any jobs at all. Some companies who operate like this, just advertise to make it look like theyre a professional company. If anyone applies, they can easily say " sorry, you dont meet our requirements".

 

Like i said, i wouldnt at all be surprised if he is flogging these on ebay or somewhere else.

 

Well the most recent ad was via an employment agency and was quite a specilaised IT/Web role, I doubt a company would pay fees to an agency if they didn't want anyone, it would be a waste of money.

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Well, nobody can find them, not even the police. So it does make you think.

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They have had a name change

 

YEMONIA LIMITED

SUITE 21 5 SPRING STREET

PADDINGTON

LONDON

UNITED KINGDOM

W2 3AQ

Company No. 06300042

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The problem is that bailiffs want a quick fix.

If a company doesn't seem to be there - they tend to move on to their next collection

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