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I have just been reading this and it makes me sick, can't believe how many people have been sanctioned due to no fault of their own.

 

It clearly looks like the goverment is trying to get loads sanctioned so the tory b***ards can save loads of money in their rich pockets.

 

Is anything going to done about this? or is it going to get much worse? :-x

 

I am sure the goverment like Iain Duncan smith and David Cameron are really happy that their are causing people's life a misery and poverty.

 

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/issue/788/17741/13-11-2013/benefit-sanction-figures-expose-tory-lies

 

I just hope I get a job very soon before it gets much worse, I hate been on Jobseekers. I don't like it 1 bit.

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As well as saving money, the unemployment figures look better.

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Plus, of course, the amount of poverty and misery being caused is out of all proportion to the money that is saved. We could eliminate JSA tomorrow and it would make barely a dent in the welfare budget, the vast bulk of which is spent on pensions and housing benefit paid to private landlords.

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What some may not realise is that if you're sanctioned for 4 weeks, it's actually 6 weeks from the last payment to when you get more.

 

It's all very well being told to go to the food bank but that doesn't pay bills.

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I have just been reading this and it makes me sick, can't believe how many people have been sanctioned due to no fault of their own.

 

It clearly looks like the goverment is trying to get loads sanctioned so the tory b***ards can save loads of money in their rich pockets.

 

Is anything going to done about this? or is it going to get much worse? :-x

 

I am sure the goverment like Iain Duncan smith and David Cameron are really happy that their are causing people's life a misery and poverty.

 

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/issue/788/17741/13-11-2013/benefit-sanction-figures-expose-tory-lies

 

I just hope I get a job very soon before it gets much worse, I hate been on Jobseekers. I don't like it 1 bit.

 

Isn't that a newspaper that supports the left of the Labour Party? What would you expect that paper to produce, a honest report or a biased view? Next thing will be the Communist Weekly!

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Do you prefer the bbc quoting CAB? http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24833627

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Do you prefer the bbc quoting CAB? http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24833627

 

Thank you. Yes I am quite happy how it is reported by the BBC. It is factually correct.

 

It is clearly advising that 'The government said the sanctions were used as a deterrent'.

 

and that 'about a third of cases related to people failing to actively seek work, with slightly fewer related to people who failed to participate in the government's Work Programme or failing to attend training.

 

About one in five cases were the result of somebody failing to attend an interview with an adviser'.

 

It seems to me that most if not all sanctions are avoidable if claimants were to comply with what is demanded of them.

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Of course there is the problem of how people will manage to attend interviews, afford postage, keep Internet and phone lines going etc in order to get a job, not to mention keep themselves fed and motivated when just trying to survive day to day.

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Looking at the figures in a little more detail, one must consider that the data only covers eight months and ten days. Until a full twelve months of figures are released since the introduction of the new regime, comparisons against previous years must be viewed with caution. However, the figures do show a significant increases, particularly worrying is January when 176,560 doubts were raised resulting in 75,230 adverse decisions. Compare this to Jan 2012, 112,140 doubts resulting in 56,960 adverse decisions - The Christmas period and January are not the best times to be looking for work, and increased fuel bills at this time of year only compound the misery.

 

Over the period being reported, 1.35 million decisions were made (i.e. benefit doubts raised), of these, 580,000 resulted in sanctions being imposed - What does this say about the people filing these benefit doubts ?

 

Note: A large number of these "doubts" will have been raised by WP providers, so it would be unfair to blame JCP front line advisers for all of them.

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The appeal process is also very slow so if these sanctions are imposed there's no hope of an appeal being considered for months. First people know about it is when they find their money hasn't arrived and suddenly they're unable to pay bills etc which may be due, even if later found 'innocent'.

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As well as saving money, the unemployment figures look better.

 

It certainly helped the new Governor of the Bank of England when he was able to say that Unemployment figures had decreased !!

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It certainly helped the new Governor of the Bank of England when he was able to say that Unemployment figures had decreased !!

 

Sure did - help David and his buddies look good for the next election, another Governor in the Tories pocket.

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and that 'about a third of cases related to people failing to actively seek work, with slightly fewer related to people who failed to participate in the government's Work Programme or failing to attend training.

 

About one in five cases were the result of somebody failing to attend an interview with an adviser'.

I would prefer to see a breakdown of actual reasons, not reasons put forward by DWP. Such as simple example:-

Failing to participate in work programme:- can actually be, "failing to receive a letter they say they sent."

Failing to attend to an interview with an advisor:- can be "Arrived at interview a few minutes late".

 

It seems to me that most if not all sanctions are avoidable if claimants were to comply with what is demanded of them.
What is demanded and what is actually possible is not the same.

 

Do not misunderstand me, if there was plenty of jobs out there, yes, use the stick. But with many more looking for work than jobs available, then not so much the stick.

(IMHO of course)

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Over the period being reported, 1.35 million decisions were made (i.e. benefit doubts raised), of these, 580,000 resulted in sanctions being imposed - What does this say about the people filing these benefit doubts ?

 

To be more precise, what does it say about the claimants who are causing these 'doubts' to arise in the first place?

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The appeal process is also very slow so if these sanctions are imposed there's no hope of an appeal being considered for months. First people know about it is when they find their money hasn't arrived and suddenly they're unable to pay bills etc which may be due, even if later found 'innocent'.

 

What is the alternative? Continue to pay the benefit until the appeal decision has been handed down?

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What some may not realise is that if you're sanctioned for 4 weeks, it's actually 6 weeks from the last payment to when you get more.

 

It's all very well being told to go to the food bank but that doesn't pay bills.

 

Isn't there a limit to how many times per year you can get help from a foodbank?

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I would prefer to see a breakdown of actual reasons, not reasons put forward by DWP. Such as simple example:-

Failing to participate in work programme:- can actually be, "failing to receive a letter they say they sent."

Failing to attend to an interview with an advisor:- can be "Arrived at interview a few minutes late".

 

What is demanded and what is actually possible is not the same.

 

Do not misunderstand me, if there was plenty of jobs out there, yes, use the stick. But with many more looking for work than jobs available, then not so much the stick.

(IMHO of course)

 

DWP regulations state that when a letter is posted it is deemed to have been delivered as long as it was 'stamped and posted to the last known address'.

If the letter doesn't arrive, then that is grounds for an appeal. If you go the other way would you expect the DWP to continue to pay a benefit whilst waiting to argue that it didn't arrive? If so you would have every Tom, Dick and Harry claiming that they never received anything.

Arriving late at an interview is seen by an employer as that the potential employee isn't taking the application procedure seriously. If I was interviewing for a position and an applicant turned up 5mins late, I would show him/her the door. I would expect them to be early!

 

You cannot use the argument that as there are few jobs the DWP should be more lenient - why? Surely the potential applicant should be fighting even harder to get one of the jobs if they are that rare.

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Isn't there a limit to how many times per year you can get help from a foodbank?

 

I think it is 3 times in a year. This is done to ensure that everyone who needs help gets it.

 

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy with anyone that receives a sanction. In most if not all cases, it has been created by the negligence of the claimant. It is an attitude thing - surely if you are that desperate to find some type of employment you would be doing everything and more besides to get it. If I was in the position of looking for a job, I would be tramping the streets every day making a nuisance of myself at the door of every employer. If there was no work locally, I would find some very cheap accommodation in another town/city for 3/4 nights and blitz every employer personally until someone gave me a job.

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To be more precise, what does it say about the claimants who are causing these 'doubts' to arise in the first place?

 

It shows us that the majority of them have done nothing wrong.

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I think it is 3 times in a year. This is done to ensure that everyone who needs help gets it.

 

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy with anyone that receives a sanction. In most if not all cases, it has been created by the negligence of the claimant. It is an attitude thing - surely if you are that desperate to find some type of employment you would be doing everything and more besides to get it.

 

 

Dear god If you believe that well, imo you'll believe anything.....

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It shows us that the majority of them have done nothing wrong.

 

Maybe but 41% were found to have breached the rules. To be fair to all, everyone is treated the same. Doubt = Benefit stopped = proven innocent (monies paid)/proven guilty (sanction).

 

The other alternative as I have said before would be to continue to pay the benefit until the appeal is concluded which may well take 12 months. You can only imagine how that system could be abused.

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I actually do. Maybe that attitude is what is sadly missing from society today - people aren't hungry enough to do everything and anything to find a job, any job.

 

Although it's funny, isn't it, that when the economy picks up all these lazy people who lack "hunger" go off and get jobs. The amount of indolence in society appears to exactly track the cycles of the economy. How strange.

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Maybe but 41% were found to have breached the rules. To be fair to all, everyone is treated the same. Doubt = Benefit stopped = proven innocent (monies paid)/proven guilty (sanction).

 

The other alternative as I have said before would be to continue to pay the benefit until the appeal is concluded which may well take 12 months. You can only imagine how that system could be abused.

 

Benefit should not be stopped simply because a doubt is raised. The claimant should be given the opportunity to present their side of the story and then a DM makes the decision.

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Isn't there a limit to how many times per year you can get help from a foodbank?

 

As far as I am aware there is indeed a limit on how many times your allowed to use the Food Bank!

 

I know a few people who have used them; To be able to do so, you are issued a "ticket" that enables you to go to the Food Bank BUT your limited to only 3 tickets/visits there within a 12 month period!

 

A friend of my son's used his 3 "tickets" up as he waited for the DWP to sort out his claim. He had no money whatsoever for living costs/rent & so forth & ended up at a "Soup Kitchen" for the Homeless as he had no where else to go!

 

Im sure he isnt the only one to do so!

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