calculating ESA rate and backpay, after being a warded Support component after tibunal

[kahlo]

hi there , i wonder if someone can help sanity check my ESA for me.

I was migrated from IB and awarded ESA ( wrag group ) in July 2012... at first tier tribunal on the 1/08/2013 the decision made on 31/7/2012 was set aside and i was told i should be in support group.( so i thinking my rate will increase and there will be some arrears to be payed to me)

My contribution ESA (wrag rate) ran out on 15 august 2013 and the last ESA payment

i received was 05 Jun 2013.

 

I have just received a letter and i cannot make sense of it

 

It states

 

from 16 august 2012?? ( why not 31/7/2012) my ESA will be £22.02 a week

from 11 April 2013 my ESA will be £23.47 a week

money will be paid every two weeks

we will pay £69.90 into your account. The first payment includes arrears of £69.90 that are due from 16 august 2012 to 28 august 2013

 

How ESA has been worked out

your living expenses £71.00

 

limited capability for work addition

extra money because you are in the support group £34.05

which gives total income-related amount £105.05

 

Income and benefits

personal health insurance or work related pension £83.03

total income £83.03

 

your total income -related amount is £105.05 less £83.03 so you would have been entitled to : £22.02

However because you are entitled to contribution based ESA we will pay you:£22.02:???:

 

the amounts on this page apply from 16 August 2012 to 28 November 2012

 

 

 

I get a ill health retirement pension.

if this helps at all ...as from april 2012 ( when getting IB) my calculations for the reduction from my pension were as follows:

 

High rate £99.15 + age addition (lower) £5.90 = £105.05

receive gross annual pension=£13055.09

/divide by 52 to give weekly pension gross=£251.06

Take off £85.00 week=£166.06

divide by 2 , to give what ib will be reduced by=£83.03

Entitled to £105.05

get reduced IB of(105.05-83.03)= £22.02 a week

 

when i was migrated from IB to ESA ( wrag) , so i wasnt worse off I got £22.02 a week

 

1.:?:what i really cannot understand is how despite now being awarded support group i am still getting the same amount £22.02 a week

2. and how The first payment includes arrears of £69.90 that are due from 16 august 2012 to 28 august 2013 has been calculated

3.??the amounts on this page apply from 16 August 2012 to 28 November 2012.... does this mean they are calculating things separately, and i will get another letter... what about the time period 29 nov 2013- to now ?

 

 

Working this out really is beyond my impaired cognitive abilities, and if anyone can help me before i contact DWP and try to understand what they say to me it would be very much appreciated .

 

i hope i have given enough information/figures to allow someone to make sense of this

Edited September 4, 2013 by kahlo

[bedofweeds]

You should go back onto Contribution based ESA.

[kahlo]

You should go back onto Contribution based ESA.

 

is the rate for ESA in support group the same as the wrag then?

 

what about the arrears amount they state?

[**Margaret**]

:Hello kahlo:

 

So far as I can tell over an internet site the rates on your letter are correct apart from a couple of date discrepancies. You need to remember that most of them are rates for April 12 - April 13.

 

July 12, long term incapacity benefit £99.15 + age addition £5.90 = £105.05.

 

16 August 12 - 10 April 13, employment n support with work related activity component;

 

Personal allowance £71.00 + work related activity component £28.15 = £99.15.

+ transitional allowance (so you don't lose out on conversion) £5.90 = £105.05.

 

16 August 12 - 10 April 13, employment n support with support component;

 

Personal allowance £71.00 + support component £34.05 = £105.05.

No transitional allowance cos it's the same rate as your previous incapacity benefit, and no arrears cos you received £105.05 anyway.

 

From April 13, personal allowance £71.70 + support component £34.80 = £106.50.

An increase of £1.45 per week, don't spend it all at once!

 

The above rates are your entitlement before deductions for pension income.

 

The £70ish arrears looks about right for April 13 - August 13.

 

'why not 31/7/12?', after a conversion decision, payment is often delayed while Jobcentreplus align payment cycles.

 

I don't know why you weren't paid between June 13 and August 13.

 

The only significance of the November date is the £10 Christmas bonus.

 

Hope my arithmetic's correct, Margaret.

Edited September 5, 2013 by **Margaret**

[estellyn]

:Hello kahlo:

 

So far as I can tell over an internet site the rates on your letter are correct apart from a couple of date discrepancies. You need to remember that most of them are rates for April 12 - April 13.

 

July 12, long term incapacity benefit £99.15 + age addition £5.90 = £105.05.

 

16 August 12 - 10 April 13, employment n support with work related activity component;

 

Personal allowance £71.00 + work related activity component £28.15 = £99.15.

+ transitional allowance (so you don't lose out on conversion) £5.90 = £105.05.

 

16 August 12 - 10 April 13, employment n support with support component;

 

Personal allowance £71.00 + support component £34.05 = £105.05.

No transitional allowance cos it's the same rate as your previous incapacity benefit, and no arrears cos you received £105.05 anyway.

 

From April 13, personal allowance £71.70 + support component £34.80 = £106.50.

An increase of £1.45 per week, don't spend it all at once!

 

The above rates are your entitlement before deductions for pension income.

 

The £70ish arrears looks about right for April 13 - August 13.

 

'why not 31/7/12?', after a conversion decision, payment is often delayed while Jobcentreplus align payment cycles.

 

I don't know why you weren't paid between June 13 and August 13.

 

The only significance of the November date is the £10 Christmas bonus.

 

Hope my arithmetic's correct, Margaret.

 

Looks about right to me, Margaret